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Path: not-for-mail From: tomyee3@gmail.com (ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Oh my God! Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 08:00:22 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-Id: <5425df17b032f1c412c1a5ba4de9e803@www.novabbs.com> References: <Ev7wMrtKlxguxDn1RDUke8-o3Zo@jntp> <vd0ojs$3l9ep$1@dont-email.me> <llkd25FlhobU6@mid.individual.net> <ZoXepwEI4CdYzUI6TGjcOT0vC0Q@jntp> <llpubiFgheaU8@mid.individual.net> <Zq1pHnYCgAwr5qC37tYAjjYmORY@jntp> <c343b16e27e0220d0b586aadaac601bb@www.novabbs.com> <38a724f9aa7028dc455f71fda36abdb8@www.novabbs.com> <ad8212d173bdfb8447f337e7cbc13dda@novabbs.com> <1ea43eb5545f362bbcdb802e857bb126@www.novabbs.com> <ed8708d5473172c7f8fb0799eb5753a1@www.novabbs.com> <a7c57e3f538be43cae943e94dff13256@www.novabbs.com> <6867f373a4258380db55b48d0a440d90@www.novabbs.com> <f0ba713eae682022c019fb36a9df13b5@www.novabbs.com> <8c3912f32d9e1ad8f69c00cf2febffc8@www.novabbs.com> <4fd70cf6f71273c4d46907ff286919c1@www.novabbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="------------66fe4f151f6313.13136692" Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="358537"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="Ooch2ht+q3xfrepY75FKkEEx2SPWDQTvfft66HacveI"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Posting-User: 504a4e36a1e6a0679da537f565a179f60d7acbd8 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$MzAbNyVAOCIXprb0ZHcDYevepmKTd9jnGK1xdE.dEQw4qYx/KBSTW X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------66fe4f151f6313.13136692 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 3:04:17 +0000, gharnagel wrote: > On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 22:26:50 +0000, ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog wrote: >> No. We are NOT obligated always to make ourselves the stationary >> observer. > > By the first principle, we are by necessity, "We" are always > stationary. We can have other observers in the lab but "We" > aren't there. You have put "Us" in three different frames. > > As to showing the order of events, all those dots are extreme > overkill. See attached figure 3. The dots represent spacetime events in S', mapped onto S using the inverse Lorentz transformation. In the left panel, the immediate context of the receiving event includes events 1, 2 and 6. If, to prevent the formation of causality loops, you apply your speed limit to superluminal velocities, the immediate context of the receiving event is shifted to include events 4, 5 and 8. The context of the receiving event shifts for EVERY observer moving at a different speed relative to S'. 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