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From: Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Sermon On The Mount
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 10:30:15 -0600
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In article <MPG.40789974c90781c6989796@news.usenetexpress.com>, 
skeeter@hotmale.com says...
> 
> In article <jSnPN.762250$xHn7.115534@fx14.iad>, ted.street@gmail.com 
> Ted says...
> > 
> > Skeeter wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <17c2dc96aff8594a$169751$3716115
> > > $22dd286e@news.thecubenet.com>, precent@yohoo.not says...
> > > > 
> > > > Ted wrote:
> > > > > Skeeter wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >> In article <660d9859$0$3711207$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> > > > >> skeeterweed@photonmail.com says...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > >>> In article <uuhjee$3ruce$1@i2pn2.org>, ted.road@qmail.com
> > > > says...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > > > >>>>> In article
> > > > <MPG.40749778856be9bb98978d@news.usenetexpress.com>, >>>>>
> > > > skeeter@hotmale.com says...
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>> In article
> > > > >>>> <17c22d00da46064a$96254$3081049$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com>,
> > > > >>>> precent@yohoo.not says...
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>> Ted wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>> In article <%SjON.762036$p%Mb.11195@fx15.iad>,
> > > > >>>> ted.street@gmail.com >>>>> says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> David LaRue wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> wrote in
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> news:wjhON.99871$24ld.78660@fx07.iad:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> % wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice of Authority wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Why did the Romans crucify Jesus?  Because he
> > > > had >>>> become >>>>>>>>>>>>    too woke.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>> <https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1774230983350362304>
> > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       --bks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was also a Communist.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth is a figure who is often emulated
> > > > >>>> for his >>>>>>>>>> emphasis on kindness, mercy and love, but
> > > > many >>>> of his >>>>>>> disciples >> > seem to miss a very large
> > > > part of >>>> his teachings in >>>>>>> their attempts >> > to mimic
> > > > his virtues.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Many of Jesusâ?? ideas would be considered
> > > > >>>> controversial in >>>>>>> the >> > modern world, but his
> > > > attitudes >>>> regarding economics >>>>>>> would be >> > especially
> > > > radical, >>>> aligning less with the >>>>>>> conservative views of
> > > > >> > many of >>>> his followers and more with >>>>>>> the far-left
> > > > views we now >>>> call >> > communist.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, the mainstream interpretations of Jesusâ??
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> philosophy seem >> > to ignore or undermine his economic
> > > > >>>> ideals, >>>>>>> most often in the >> > interest of preserving
> > > > >>>> capitalism.  >>>>>>> American history has given us >> > many
> > > > >>>> examples of Biblical >>>>>>> interpretations being used to
> > > > excuse >>>>>>> harmful institutions >>>>>>> such as slavery and
> > > > attempt to >>>> de-radicalize >> > the image of >>>>>>> popular
> > > > figures such as >>>> Martin Luther King Jr. It is >> > only >>>>>>>
> > > > responsible that >>>> we separate Jesusâ??  relationship with money
> > > > >> >>>>>>>> from >>>> that of any churches who stand to profit
> > > > financially from >>>>>>> >>>> more >> > capitalist interpretations
> > > > of his words.  >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>     We can read stories about
> > > > Jesusâ?? emphasis on >>>> communal >>>>>>> practices, >> > like
> > > > sharing meals and labor and >>>> starting the >>>>>>> tradition now
> > > > >> > referred to as >>>> â??communion.â? We can also see >>>>>>>
> > > > that he has a >> > >>>> particular interest in the needs of people
> > > > who >>>>>>> his >>>> society would >> > rather abandon such as
> > > > women who had >>>>>>> >>>> committed adultery and those >> > with
> > > > leprosy or physical >>>>>>>>>>> disabilities.  >> > >>>>>>>>>> He
> > > > tells his followers to >>>> forgive their debtors, that they
> > > > >>>>>>> should >> > not store up >>>> treasures on earth and that
> > > > they cannot >>>>>>> serve both God >> >>>>> and money. In Matthew
> > > > 21, he becomes so >>>>>>> enraged by >>>> people using a >> >
> > > > temple for economic exchange, he >>>>>>> >>>> starts flipping
> > > > tables.  >> > >>>>>>>>>> In Matthew 19, a rich >>>> man approaches
> > > > him for instruction and >>>>>>> Jesus >> > tells >>>> him to give
> > > > up all his possessions and give the >>>>>>> money to >>>> the >> >
> > > > poor.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>     â??It is easier for a camel to go through the eye
> > > > >>>> of a >>>>>>> needle than >> > for someone who is rich to enter
> > > > >>>> the Kingdom of >>>>>>> God,� Jesus said in >> > Matthew 19:24
> > > > >>>> NIV.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>     This notion that a rich person would have to stop
> > > > >>>> being >>>>>>> rich in >> > order to follow him is explicitly
> > > > >>>> incompatible with >>>>>>> capitalist >> > thinking. Why make
> > > > >>>> people choose between >>>>>>> following him and pursuing >> >
> > > > >>>> wealth unless he dislikes the >>>>>>> effects of wealth and
> > > > hopes >>>> to >> > counteract them in some way >>>>>>> by
> > > > encouraging an >>>> alternative lifestyle >> > among his followers?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Despite the context and direct nature of his
> > > > >>>> statement, it >>>>>>> seems >> > to be interpreted quite
> > > > >>>> differently by many wealthy and >>>>>>> influential >> >
> > > > >>>> Christians who have yet to give up their >>>>>>> possessions.
> > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Under capitalism, interpretations favored by
> > > > rich >>>> people are >>>>>>> given >> > more of a platform. This has
> > > > >>>> created the exact type of >>>>>>> hierarchy >> > among Jesusâ??
> > > > >>>> fans that he devoted so much time to >>>>>>> warning against.
> > > > >> >>>>> His attempts to redistribute power are >>>>>>> often
> > > > >>>> downplayed, and this >> > is interpreted instead as a story
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> about how nobody is perfect.  >> > >>>>>>>>>>    SIUE is
> > > > >>>> home to a large Christian population, including 20 >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>> Christian organizations, whose members I sincerely hope will
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> avoid >> > such a convenient dismissal of this issue.
> > > > All >>>> of us at >>>>>>> SIUE, >> > Christian or otherwise, should
> > > > >>>> question the >>>>>>> motivations of our >> > sources.
> > > > Information >>>> is never presented >>>>>>> without an agenda, and
> > > > it >> > is >>>> alarmingly common for >>>>>>> information to be
> > > > presented in >>>> deceitful >> > ways.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>     An idea as simple as â??love your neighborsâ?
> > > > can >>>> be used >>>>>>> to promote >> > the exact opposite
> > > > message. I >>>> hope that any >>>>>>> readers seeking to >> >
> > > > understand Jesusâ??  >>>> words will think >>>>>>> critically about
> > > > their own >> > >>>> ideologies as well and whether >>>>>>> they
> > > > align more closely >>>> with the >> > whitewashed commercial
> > > > >>>>>>> version that grants >>>> wishes or the radical >> >
> > > > political figure >>>>>>> portrayed in >>>> the Bible.  >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>     
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody reads anything this long
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. In fact, the motivation is not to even start
> > > > >>>> reading >>>>>>>> it.  Very brief posts, otoh, almost always get
> > > > >>>> read.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jesus (and God) taught those that were willing to learn.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you were unwilling to read a few words, let alone
> > > > >>>> books, how do >>>>>>> you hope to learn what was being taught?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jesus and the New Testament were needed because of the
> > > > >>>> many that >>>>>>> were unwilling to learn and follow the simple
> > > > >>>> rules of the Old >>>>>>> Testament.  He wants you to understand
> > > > >>>> and follow him.  It is >>>>>>> your choice.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> The main thing I don't like about Jesus is that he eats
> > > > >>>> shit. It's >>>>>> disgusting.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I remember when you used to post as Scatboi, Ted, that was
> > > > >>>> back >>>>> when I was posting as Carny....man what a ride!
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>> I remember when you used to brag about how much shit I can
> > > > >>>> eat, Chad.  >>>> We found it disgusting, but you were proud of
> > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > >>>>>>>    >
> > > > >>>>>>> tinw, scatboi
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
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