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From: Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch>
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On Fri, 17 May 2024 12:06:49 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 5/17/2024 11:14 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 13:41:10 +0000, RonB wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2024-05-17, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 03:04:45 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-05-15, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2024 14:04:34 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-05-14, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 22:54:36 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 13 May 2024 12:14:27 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ... explain how it is the _software_ that is making them money,
>>>>>>>>>> and not the _support_ for that software.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is the support that is making the money. That is the point,
>>>>>>>>> after all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ever heard of “give away the razor, sell the razorblades”?
>>>>>>>>> That’s how Free Software works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, it would be beneficial to open-source developers to make sure
>>>>>>>> that their software breaks easily and crashes, so as to sell the
>>>>>>>> support. Gotcha.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, that would be brilliant, because customers would flock by
>>>>>>> the droves to useless, crap software... But you may have
>>>>>>> something, people keep using crap Microsoft Windows even though
>>>>>>> their "customers" are really Microsoft's unpaid beta testers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They use Windows because it's what they got on the computer they
>>>>>> purchased which cost less than a similar Mac. Considering how
>>>>>> Windows can run on just about any hardware and support every
>>>>>> third-party peripheral they plug into it, they are not likely to
>>>>>> seek out an alternative, even if it crashes a few times. It also
>>>>>> has the largest library of software, and tons of experts can be
>>>>>> found on the web to help them with any technical problem they have,
>>>>>> free of charge. Those are real benefits, no matter how much one
>>>>>> hates Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> I find a lot better support for Linux on the Internet than I do for
>>>>> Windows. There are a LOT of people who'll tell you how to fix
>>>>> Windows...
>>>>> only problem is, none of it EVER works. When my wife's old computer
>>>>> BSOD'd (twice during upgrades) I found (and tried) about 20
>>>>> "solutions,"
>>>>> none of which worked.
>>>>> The second time I went to what actually worked sooner — using a
>>>>> Linux Live[B USB to download her data and rebuild the computer from
>>>>> scratch. I could be a great Windows support expert... I've already
>>>>> memorized the three Rs,
>>>>> "Reboot. Reboot. Rebuild."
>>>>>
>>>>> (Again this is from a years back and I will admit that wife has had
>>>>> a lot less trouble since then. Although I still have to reset her
>>>>> network something or other when it slows to crawl on the Internet
>>>>> (what is that crap?). And I still think Windows is the most
>>>>> convoluted crap OS ever made.
>>>>
>>>> There are three issues I can imagine for the slow Internet: 1) an IP
>>>> mismatch caused by a crappy TP-Link router (I've had this issue), 2)
>>>> terrible Wi-Fi hardware such as the chips made by MediaTek, 3) too
>>>> much distance and interference between her computer and the router.
>>>> If you have a cheap TP-Link router, get rid of that thing. Their more
>>>> expensive models are fine, but the one selling for around $30 causes
>>>> a lot of chaos.
>>>
>>> I have a TP-Link router and it works well because the computers,
>>> except for one room, are connected via LAN cables. I think TP-Link
>>> routers can't handle a lot of WiFi traffic — they overheat. But the
>>> Gigabyte Ethernet ports seem to be rock solid. There's computers in
>>> nine locations in this house. Fortunately, when they ran the phone
>>> cables they used CAT 5, so I just re-terminated the cables to CAT 5
>>> jacks, added five, cheap ($7 Gigabyte switches) and ran some CAT 5
>>> cable at the base of the wall for some of the locations not near a
>>> jack — and everyone has fast, reliable Internet. Now that you mention
>>> it, I don't think my wife's computer has had to have the network reset
>>> since I ran the Ethernet cable to her computer. But I never had
>>> problems with the Linux computers when using the same WiFi
>>> connections.
>> 
>> With the aforementioned TP-Link router a technician from my ISP gave
>> me, I had no problems in Linux either. However, the moment I got back
>> into Windows, it wouldn't give me any kind of Internet after connecting
>> to the router. I only eventually figured out that the router in
>> question was using an already used IP address despite being configured
>> not to. Why that would only be a problem for Windows is beyond me.
>>   
>>>>>> Linux has much of the above too, but its library of software isn't
>>>>>> as impressive and the software's general quality isn't there
>>>>>> either. It works on anything, that's true, but not anyone is
>>>>>> comfortable with the process of installing it, no matter how easy
>>>>>> it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand. I've known people who buy a new Windows computer every
>>>>> time the old one slows down because that's all they want to know.
>>>>> "Doesn't work right any more, but a new one."
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, we're dealing with high inflation and a likely recession
>>>> which should prompt most people to save as much money as they can by
>>>> keeping their hardware for as long as possible. Linux is going to be
>>>> everyone's best friend soon.
>>>
>>> You're probably right. It's already happening in South America.
>> 
>> And I don't blame them for rejecting Windows or anything else American,
>> considering what the CIA did to topple their democratically elected
>> governments in the past to make them puppet states of the USA. How many
>> Latin leaders need to die in a plane crash before the world realizes
>> that the American government, not the people, is indeed The Great
>> Satan?
> 
> kooks

Which part are you denying?