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Subject: on levels of disappointment (Was: Re: Lisp history: IF, etc.)
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Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> writes:

> On 2024-04-03, Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-04-03, Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> wrote:
>>> Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> writes:
>>>    If you think about it, it's actually kind of ignorant to invent a
>>>    programming language with imperative if statements, but in which where
>>>    the math conditional is missing.
>>>
>>> If you think like a historian, you don't describe this as "ignorant".
>>> It's just not something that was above the horizon in the mind set of
>>> the time.  After all, that mathematical notation you are referring to
>>> isn't something that mathematicians get very formal about.
>>
>> That is a fair observation; roughly speaking, higher languages first
>> evolved from that of the machine.  Why we have an if /statement/ is that
>> the machine has testing and branching in its instruction set, which are
>> also statements. The imperative language that works by jumping around
>> and shuffling mainly word-sized quantities inside a Von Neumann machine
>> is an abstraction of machine language, not an abstraction of functions.
>>
>> The abstraction of machine language isn't ignorant, it's just different.
>
> But, right, okay; I lost a thoguht I had some hours earlier about this.
> By the time we have a higher level language inspired by math formulas in
> which you can do A * B + C, and define math-like functions, you would
> think that the right synapse would fire between the right two brain
> cells, so that a value-yielding conditional would be supplied.  When you
> have translation of arithmetic formulas to machine language, the scene
> is ripe for such an operator. So maybe ignorance is a strong word, but
> there is a margin for disappointment.

But it's not the same disappointment as in having to use JIRA, right? :-)

  ``Writing bug reports on napkins and keeping them crumpled in a large
  black garbage bag is better than this fucking piece of crap called
  JIRA.'' -- Kaz Kylheku, 2016.

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From: Kaz Kylheku <221-50...@kylheku.com>
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Subject: Re: Favourite Software Development Tools for Teams?
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["Followup-To:" header set to comp.programming.]
On 2016-09-19, Triscal Islington <trust.your...@mail.ru> wrote:
> I'm finally heading my own software engineering project at work and,
> since I call the shots, it's up to me to decide on what collaboration
> and review tools we utilize on the project.
>
> I'm pretty well decided on git for source code management but what are
> your favourite linux tool for bug tracking, code review, collaboration, etc?

Writing bug reports on napkins and keeping them crumpled in a large
black garbage bag is better than this fucking piece of crap called JIRA.
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