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On May 24, 2024 at 12:46:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 5/24/2024 2:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>  In article <v2qa76$2ce49$2@dont-email.me>,
>>    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>  
>>>  On 5/23/2024 11:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>  On May 23, 2024 at 7:29:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>  On 5/23/2024 6:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>  In article <v2obln$1ubc9$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>  moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>  On 5/23/2024 4:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>  In article <v2o7bi$1tkcc$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>  moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  On 5/23/2024 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>  In article <v2ns6e$1rgqc$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>  moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  On 5/22/2024 12:57 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Once again, Leo Kearse hits it out of the park:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5uW1Htq7XU [10 minutes]
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  I listened to enough to hear the claim that truth is a defense
>>>>>>>>>>>  against a charge of "incitement to hatred" ...which, obviously,
>>>>>>>>>>>  it isn't.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  As I said, the truth is now illegal.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  But neither should citing the government's own crime statistics in
>>>>>>>>>>  a discussion about public policy be considered "incitement to hatred"
>>>>>>>>>>  merely because it undermines the government's immigration agenda.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  As I said, an "incitement to hatred" needn't carry any lie.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  And expanding on what I said, if you make truth illegal because
>>>>>>>>  you've created circumstances that allow you to claim it leads to some
>>>>>>>>  nebulous concept of 'hatred', then you've successfully muzzled all
>>>>>>>>  political opposition and have created a dictatorial society where
>>>>>>>>  anyone who speaks against you is criminalized.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  And this all comes from the people who are constantly bleating about
>>>>>>>>  the need to "protect muh democracy!"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  There are enough laws, rules, regulations, and statutes in the world
>>>>>>>  to allow anyone to be prosecuted for (or exonerated of) anything. The
>>>>>>>  ultimate trial arena is always in the mind of the ultimate presiding
>>>>>>>  judge. So, if you mean to defend against this "incitement of hatred"
>>>>>>>  charge, you'll have to argue either that the very concept is
>>>>>>>  unconstitutional
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>  Well, we're talking about Germany here not America, so 'unconstitutional'
>>>>>>  isn't on the table, but yes, if this kind of law were to be passed here,
>>>>>>  it would absolutely without question be unconstitutional.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>  or that there's no valid reason it applies here.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>  There's no valid reason it should apply anywhere.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Yet "incitement to hate" is a thing you recognize and deplore.  (Isn't
>>>>>  it?) How is its subjectivity different from that of pornography?
>>>> 
>>>>  https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1781169843351298050/vid/avc1/356x270/l
>>>>  HOICO1gYm5AAqF8.mp4?tag=14
>>>> 
>>>>  Incitement to hate? Should they all be arrested?
>>> 
>>>  I don't understand what I'm seeing/hearing there.
>>  
>>  A large crowd in front of Trump Tower chanting "New York hates you!"
> 
> If there's a law against expression of hate for an individual, sure?

So for you, all it takes is a legislature's say so and freedom of speech is
legitimately wiped off the map?