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moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 5/19/2024 4:28 PM, Rhino wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:22:51 -0400
>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 5/18/2024 8:08 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 19:15:05 -0400
>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/18/2024 4:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> In article <v2b0i8$2u4t7$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <v2akce$2roir$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino"
>>>>>>>>>> <no_offline_contact@example.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701
>>>>>>>>>>>> <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight-readers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that means it's a racist form of white supremacy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Because only white people can sight read perfectly or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rolls eyes>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black
>>>>>>>>>>>> musicians who have managed the feat and somehow a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the concert pianists these days
>>>>>>>>>>>> are of Asian origin...
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that
>>>>>>>>>>> they weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and
>>>>>>>>>>> attributed this to race. To address that, all or most
>>>>>>>>>>> auditions for orchestras started being done behind screens so
>>>>>>>>>>> that the judges could only hear the performance but not see
>>>>>>>>>>> the performer. But apparently Asians are now seen as white or
>>>>>>>>>>> white allies and a certain group of people who I'll call
>>>>>>>>>>> People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply
>>>>>>>>>>> be given positions on orchestras without auditioning because
>>>>>>>>>>> they have been discriminated against in the past. I assume
>>>>>>>>>>> they're proposing some kind of quota system but I'm not sure
>>>>>>>>>>> what percentage of the slots they're demanding.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support
>>>>>>>>>>> among the people who decide these things but, given the way
>>>>>>>>>>> things are going in general, I would be surprised if this was
>>>>>>>>>>> NOT done. Competence is going out of the window to be
>>>>>>>>>>> replaced by hiring on the basis of skin colour.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny
>>>>>>>>>>> all of this and/or defend it.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots,
>>>>>>>>>> where literally everything in America was discovered to be
>>>>>>>>>> racist, there was an article in the New York Times that
>>>>>>>>>> asserted that the blind audition system used by most
>>>>>>>>>> professional orchestras and ensembles was racist because it
>>>>>>>>>> *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and
>>>>>>>>>> the judges have no idea who the person is, what race they are,
>>>>>>>>>> what gender they are, etc., it takes away the judge's ability
>>>>>>>>>> to racially discriminate. This used to be considered a good
>>>>>>>>>> thing, but in today's woke world, the inability to racially
>>>>>>>>>> discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over whites) is
>>>>>>>>>> a major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to
>>>>>>>>>> result in orchestras being problematically white and Asian.
>>>>>>>>>> When pure talent and ability are the only factors available
>>>>>>>>>> upon which to base a decision, the resulting orchestras
>>>>>>>>>> aren't 'diverse' enough for the intelligentsia.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to
>>>>>>>>>> remove that screen so the judges see the players, can actively
>>>>>>>>>> discriminate against whites and Asians, and make hiring
>>>>>>>>>> decisions based on race and gender, rather than ability to
>>>>>>>>>> play the music.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of
>>>>>>>>>> racial discrimination is the goal of the modern
>>>>>>>>>> 'progressive'... well, I have a few bridges to sell them.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid
>>>>>>>>>> of blind auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too
>>>>>>>>>> many white classical musicians, there strangely was no plan to
>>>>>>>>>> 'fix' the problem of too many black basketball players (or any
>>>>>>>>>> recognition that it even is a problem in the first place).
>>>>>>>>>> Wonder why that is?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action'
>>>>>>>>> as though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your
>>>>>>>>> view?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class
>>>>>>>> so that you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to
>>>>>>>> whitey.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than
>>>>>>>> that they can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised
>>>>>>>> you cheerlead for it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and
>>>>>>>> they somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on
>>>>>>>> sheer talent and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how
>>>>>>>> that's not seen as a 'diversity' success but a problem that
>>>>>>>> needs 'fixing'.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.:
>>>>>>> procedural bias meant to hasten the homogenization of an
>>>>>>> artificially bifurcate society.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial
>>>>>> about it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they
>>>>>> may with regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance
>>>>>> groups.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial
>>>>>> occurrence than is a mostly black basketball team. In both cases,
>>>>>> the best people for the job are the ones who are hired.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, but a
>>>>>> mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Both are historically oppressed minorities and both organizations
>>>>>> are what they are because they hired the best people for the job.
>>>>>> Why is one a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that
>>>>>> needs to be fixed?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any general policy is subject to second-guessing in any given
>>>>> instance.
>>>>> 
>>>> Which says absolutely nothing as is typical for you when you fail to
>>>> defend the indefensible.
>>> 
>>> Let me help you out:  The 'general policy' is to promote blacks,
>>> disproportionately if necessary, into visible prominence in order to
>>> change societal biases ...and even though every disproportionate such
>>> instance will, taken in isolation, feel "unjust".
>>> 
>> And when will there be enough black musicians in orchestras?
>>> 
>>>>> Meanwhile, a pro basketball team is governed by money, not ideals.
>>>>> 
>>>> Don't you think a pro basketball team would make MORE money if it
>>>> had more white players? A considerable portion of their fans and
>>>> viewers must be white and I would imagine more white players would
>>>> be appreciated by white fans and viewers who would like to see
>>>> themselves represented. If my reasoning is correct, the team owners
>>>> are walking away from extra income by not having more white players
>>>> - and more Asians as well, who might also be basketball fans.
>>> 
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