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On Mar 14, 2024 at 12:47:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <never@nothere.com> wrote:

> On 3/13/2024 10:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>  In article <17bc7ef34c89321a$26$2906873$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
>>    moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>>  
>>>  On 3/13/2024 7:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>  moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>  On 3/13/2024 4:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>  In article
>>>>>>  <17bc6a65e0fefe3d$133203$1098985$c8d58268@news.newsdemon.com>,
>>>>>>  moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  On 3/12/2024 11:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>  In article <75r1vidlcuq3nd6lsnd4o1s254bn9khpgu@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>>  The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 12:10:11 -0400, Rhino
>>>>>>>>>  <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  A bill passed earlier in Trudeau's Reign of Error made people
>>>>>>>>>>  eligible for two years in prison for "mis-gendering" (i.e. correctly
>>>>>>>>>>  identifying the gender of an individual). They got away with tha
>>>>>>>>>>  so now they've upped the ante to put us in prison for life for
>>>>>>>>>>  hate speech.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  I suppose I could be in trouble then since I have publicly and online
>>>>>>>>>  denounced the Gladue decision and the UNDRIP.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  Has anyone pointed out to Trudeau how ironic it is that a guy who has
>>>>>>>>  been caught in blackface is now proposing life sentences for hate
>>>>>>>>  speech?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  Has anyone suggested he lead by example and check himself into the
>>>>>>>>  nearest maximum security prison?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Trudeau's blackface wasn't a clear expression of hate ...which 'hate
>>>>>>>  speech' presumably is.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Yes, there's always an excuse for why "it's different when we do it".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Ask any BLM/NAACP/black racial grievance group if they consider
>>>>>>  appearing blackface to be hate and I bet they have a different standard
>>>>>>  than you do. And the rules of political correctness say their definition
>>>>>>  controls.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  No, there isn't "always an excuse" for why it might be "different".
>>>>>  Consider, for example, the recent discussion of RuPaul's book-banning.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Meanwhile, the question of 'hate' is determined by the offender's state
>>>>>  of mind, not the offendee's.
>>>> 
>>>>  Not according to all the woke DEI training everyone has to go through these
>>>>  days. Your intent doesn't matter. It's the offended person's feelings that
>>>>  matter.
>>>> 
>>>>  That's why people can get fired for using the word niggardly. Doesn't
>>>>  matter if the word has no racial meaning. Doesn't matter that the person
>>>>  who used it had no intent to offend. All that matters is that a stupid
>>>>  person with a stunted vocabulary was offended.
>>> 
>>>  'Training' is presumably to let people know what things might be
>>>  unexpectedly injurious.
>>  
>>  No, they don't go through a list of what's offensive. They just tell you
>>  that it doesn't matter what you meant or intended. Only the offended
>>  person's thoughts and feelings matter.

NOTE: In a current case against the ACLU, this is exactly what the ACLU is
arguing: intent doesn't matter. Only the offense of the aggrieved matters.


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/us/politics/aclu-employee-fired-race-bias.html

The case raises some intriguing questions about the wide swath of employee
behavior and speech that labor law protects-- and how the nation's pre-eminent
civil rights organization finds itself on the opposite side of that law,
arguing that those protections should not apply to its former employee.

A lawyer representing the ACLU, Ken Margolis, said during a legal proceeding
last year that it was irrelevant whether Ms. Oh bore no racist ill will. All
that mattered, he said, was that her black colleagues were offended and
injured.

>>>  'Hate' is what might be inferred of someone who does such things despite
>>>  already knowing.
>>> 
>>>  By now, we'd both bet that 'niggardly' is used primarily to taunt.
>>  
>>  Presumption of guilt. One of America's core values, amirite?
> 
> Expectation isn't presumption.