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moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 3/25/2024 3:17 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> On Mar 14, 2024 at 12:47:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 3/13/2024 10:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <17bc7ef34c89321a$26$2906873$52d51861@news.newsdemon.com>,
>>>> moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/13/2024 7:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/13/2024 4:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>> <17bc6a65e0fefe3d$133203$1098985$c8d58268@news.newsdemon.com>,
>>>>>>>> moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 3/12/2024 11:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <75r1vidlcuq3nd6lsnd4o1s254bn9khpgu@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 12:10:11 -0400, Rhino
>>>>>>>>>>> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> A bill passed earlier in Trudeau's Reign of Error made people
>>>>>>>>>>>> eligible for two years in prison for "mis-gendering" (i.e. correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying the gender of an individual). They got away with tha
>>>>>>>>>>>> so now they've upped the ante to put us in prison for life for
>>>>>>>>>>>> hate speech.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose I could be in trouble then since I have publicly and online
>>>>>>>>>>> denounced the Gladue decision and the UNDRIP.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone pointed out to Trudeau how ironic it is that a guy who has
>>>>>>>>>> been caught in blackface is now proposing life sentences for hate
>>>>>>>>>> speech?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone suggested he lead by example and check himself into the
>>>>>>>>>> nearest maximum security prison?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Trudeau's blackface wasn't a clear expression of hate ...which 'hate
>>>>>>>>> speech' presumably is.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes, there's always an excuse for why "it's different when we do it".
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ask any BLM/NAACP/black racial grievance group if they consider
>>>>>>>> appearing blackface to be hate and I bet they have a different standard
>>>>>>>> than you do. And the rules of political correctness say their definition
>>>>>>>> controls.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No, there isn't "always an excuse" for why it might be "different".
>>>>>>> Consider, for example, the recent discussion of RuPaul's book-banning.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Meanwhile, the question of 'hate' is determined by the offender's state
>>>>>>> of mind, not the offendee's.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not according to all the woke DEI training everyone has to go through these
>>>>>> days. Your intent doesn't matter. It's the offended person's feelings that
>>>>>> matter.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's why people can get fired for using the word niggardly. Doesn't
>>>>>> matter if the word has no racial meaning. Doesn't matter that the person
>>>>>> who used it had no intent to offend. All that matters is that a stupid
>>>>>> person with a stunted vocabulary was offended.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 'Training' is presumably to let people know what things might be
>>>>> unexpectedly injurious.
>>>> 
>>>> No, they don't go through a list of what's offensive. They just tell you
>>>> that it doesn't matter what you meant or intended. Only the offended
>>>> person's thoughts and feelings matter.
>> 
>> NOTE: In a current case against the ACLU, this is exactly what the ACLU is
>> arguing: intent doesn't matter. Only the offense of the aggrieved matters.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/us/politics/aclu-employee-fired-race-bias.html
>> 
>> The case raises some intriguing questions about the wide swath of employee
>> behavior and speech that labor law protects-- and how the nation's pre-eminent
>> civil rights organization finds itself on the opposite side of that law,
>> arguing that those protections should not apply to its former employee.
>> 
>> A lawyer representing the ACLU, Ken Margolis, said during a legal proceeding
>> last year that it was irrelevant whether Ms. Oh bore no racist ill will. All
>> that mattered, he said, was that her black colleagues were offended and
>> injured.
>> 
>>>>> 'Hate' is what might be inferred of someone who does such things despite
>>>>> already knowing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> By now, we'd both bet that 'niggardly' is used primarily to taunt.
>>>> 
>>>> Presumption of guilt. One of America's core values, amirite?
>>> 
>>> Expectation isn't presumption.
> 
> The article's paywalled but, if Ms. Oh had no reason to expect that her 
> black colleagues would be offended, the lawyer above seems to be full of 
> shit.  And, since the ACLU isn't often full of shit, I'm guessing that 
> Ms. Oh might've unreasonably ignored a few common racial understandings.

The exact opposite seems to be the case. See the thread titled "Re: ACLU
Accuses Asian Attorney of Using 'Coded' Racism; Fires Her; ACLU Sued by
Government" for a reproduction of the entire article.

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