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On May 18, 2024 at 5:08:26 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
wrote:

> On Sat, 18 May 2024 19:15:05 -0400
> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>>  On 5/18/2024 4:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>  > In article <v2b0i8$2u4t7$3@dont-email.me>,
>>  >   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>  >   
>>  >> On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:  
>>  >>> In article <v2akce$2roir$1@dont-email.me>,
>>  >>>    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>  >>>  
>>  >>>> On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote:  
>>  >>>>> On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino"
>>  >>>>> <no_offline_contact@example.com>
>>  >>>>> wrote:
>>  >>>>>  
>>  >>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700
>>  >>>>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>  >>>>>>  
>>  >>>>>>>     On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701
>>  >>>>>>> <atropos@mac.com> wrote: 
>>  >>>>>>>     >Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for
>>  >>>>>>>     >sight-readers,
>>  >>>>>>>     >that means it's a racist form of white supremacy.
>>  >>>>>>>     >
>>  >>>>>>>     >(Because only white people can sight read perfectly or
>>  >>>>>>>     >something.)
>>  >>>>>>>     >
>>  >>>>>>>     ><rolls eyes>  
>>  >>>>>>>     
>>  >>>>>>>     I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black musicians
>>  >>>>>>> who have managed the feat and somehow a lot of the concert
>>  >>>>>>> pianists these days
>>  >>>>>>>     are of Asian origin...  
>>  >>>>>>
>>  >>>>>> I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you.
>>  >>>>>>
>>  >>>>>> As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that
>>  >>>>>> they weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and
>>  >>>>>> attributed this to race. To address that, all or most
>>  >>>>>> auditions for orchestras started being done behind screens so
>>  >>>>>> that the judges could only hear the performance but not see
>>  >>>>>> the performer. But apparently Asians are now seen as white or
>>  >>>>>> white allies and a certain group of people who I'll call
>>  >>>>>> People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply
>>  >>>>>> be given positions on orchestras without auditioning because
>>  >>>>>> they have been discriminated against in the past. I assume
>>  >>>>>> they're proposing some kind of quota system but I'm not sure
>>  >>>>>> what percentage of the slots they're demanding.
>>  >>>>>>
>>  >>>>>> Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support
>>  >>>>>> among the people who decide these things but, given the way
>>  >>>>>> things are going in general, I would be surprised if this was
>>  >>>>>> NOT done. Competence is going out of the window to be replaced
>>  >>>>>> by hiring on the basis of skin colour.
>>  >>>>>>
>>  >>>>>> I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny
>>  >>>>>> all of this and/or defend it.  
>>  >>>>>
>>  >>>>> Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots,
>>  >>>>> where literally everything in America was discovered to be
>>  >>>>> racist, there was an article in the New York Times that
>>  >>>>> asserted that the blind audition system used by most
>>  >>>>> professional orchestras and ensembles was racist because it
>>  >>>>> *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process.
>>  >>>>>
>>  >>>>> The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and
>>  >>>>> the judges have no idea who the person is, what race they are,
>>  >>>>> what gender they are, etc., it takes away the judge's ability
>>  >>>>> to racially discriminate. This used to be considered a good
>>  >>>>> thing, but in today's woke world, the inability to racially
>>  >>>>> discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over whites) is a
>>  >>>>> major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to result
>>  >>>>> in orchestras being problematically white and Asian. When pure
>>  >>>>> talent and ability are the only factors available upon which to
>>  >>>>> base a decision, the resulting orchestras aren't 'diverse'
>>  >>>>> enough for the intelligentsia.
>>  >>>>>
>>  >>>>> So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to
>>  >>>>> remove that screen so the judges see the players, can actively
>>  >>>>> discriminate against whites and Asians, and make hiring
>>  >>>>> decisions based on race and gender, rather than ability to play
>>  >>>>> the music.
>>  >>>>>
>>  >>>>> Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of
>>  >>>>> racial discrimination is the goal of the modern
>>  >>>>> 'progressive'... well, I have a few bridges to sell them.
>>  >>>>>
>>  >>>>> And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid
>>  >>>>> of blind auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too
>>  >>>>> many white classical musicians, there strangely was no plan to
>>  >>>>> 'fix' the problem of too many black basketball players (or any
>>  >>>>> recognition that it even is a problem in the first place).
>>  >>>>> Wonder why that is?  
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action'
>>  >>>> as though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your view?
>>  >>>>  
>>  >>>
>>  >>> I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class
>>  >>> so that you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to
>>  >>> whitey.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than
>>  >>> that they can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised
>>  >>> you cheerlead for it.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and
>>  >>> they somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on
>>  >>> sheer talent and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how that's
>>  >>> not seen as a 'diversity' success but a problem that needs
>>  >>> 'fixing'.  
>>  >>
>>  >> But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.:
>>  >> procedural bias meant to hasten the homogenization of an
>>  >> artificially bifurcate society.  
>>  > 
>>  > But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial
>>  > about it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they may
>>  > with regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance groups.
>>  > 
>>  > A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial
>>  > occurrence than is a mostly black basketball team. In both cases,
>>  > the best people for the job are the ones who are hired.
>>  > 
>>  > Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, but a
>>  > mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'?
>>  > 
>>  > Both are historically oppressed minorities and both organizations
>>  > are what they are because they hired the best people for the job.
>>  > Why is one a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that needs
>>  > to be fixed?  
>>  
>>  Any general policy is subject to second-guessing in any given
>>  instance.
>>  
> Which says absolutely nothing as is typical for you when you fail to
> defend the indefensible.

Here's how DIE is working out in the federal judiciary...

Among top LSAT scorers (170 or above), 82.5% are white, 15.2% are Asian, 1.6%
hispanic, and 0.3% black.

State Bar exam passage rates averaged over the 50 states: 76.2% white, 11.4%
Asian, 7.3% hispanic, 4.6% black.

80% of lawyers in the United States are white.

Biden's 200 federal judges: 30% white, 50% Hispanic and black, 14% Asian.

It's obvious what happened here:

https://ibb.co/VM0r1hc

(*Numbers do not include Native Americans and Pacific Islanders.)