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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!nntp.terraraq.uk!news1.firedrake.org!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com (LDagget) Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Wistar Symposium "Mathematical Challenge to Neo-Darwinism". Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 14:27:57 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <ac98e7198eaba70ddac43c0b183b4990@www.novabbs.com> References: <MUn6O.847$W2K4.435@fx38.iad> <v3d6nf$2bmpj$1@dont-email.me> <LTK6O.5077$gn%7.4967@fx12.iad> <5ogn5j5d7953b3s7u7gqd7v7hem2vmmao8@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="26842"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Rocksolid Light To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: <news@i2pn2.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id C0DF2229872; Sun, 02 Jun 2024 10:33:00 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DCF229870 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sun, 02 Jun 2024 10:32:58 -0400 (EDT) id 5911C5DC4B; Sun, 2 Jun 2024 14:33:00 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D88E5DC40 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 2 Jun 2024 14:33:00 +0000 (UTC) id 7261459803B; Sun, 2 Jun 2024 14:31:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Injection-Info: ; posting-account="KSzema2TaGVH+Br/mVcH2r9+tz/lCRSfDm6cQy3I8ew"; X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$xOHbMxLAqb5GveH3NF/DlOTQHGX6lwJAHFRaO/5XgMvwWBm2GefMK X-Rslight-Posting-User: 3593b16639a8a674c33db858c6e6734fe9f98c67 Bytes: 3624 Lines: 44 El Kabong wrote: > Ron Dean wrote: >> We've discussed this before. I think originally the genetic code was >> robust, but over time due to the 2/ND law and missed errors in copying, >> >> the robustness declined and continues to decline. This I >> think was anticipated from the beginning of the genetic code and >> several >> >> proofreading and repair machines were implanted into the code. But even >> >> these proofreading and repair systems are subject to errors over time. >> However, they still catch overwhelming numbers of mutations and >> corrects >> >> them, but not all. The evidence I think supports this. Still, each >> generation inherits the mutations from previous generations and >> develops >> >> new mutations, all of which is passed on down. At some distant time the >> >> genetic code in each species becomes increasingly less robust until >> reproduction >> ceases and we see this in many extinctions as recorded in the fossil >> record. > Your invocation of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a > common creationist diversion. It started as a deliberate > misrepresentation, and spread among the ignoratti such as > yourself. Among the errors in Ron Dean's post is that he has confused the meaning of "Genetic Code". He's invoking some confused hodge-podge thing which is some mix of genome sequence and the Genetic Code. Genetic Code of course means the matching between nucleotide triplets and amino acids or stops. Of course it is also true that he has utterly failed to understand how the 2nd law of thermodynamics actually works within a system that is a chemical engine that burns through vast quantities of free energy.