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In article <f5jv5jpna2biv39j32ubogdeihne3kl46h@4ax.com>,
 shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 05 Jun 2024 02:06:04 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Jun 4, 2024 at 5:59:11 PM PDT, "Dimensional Traveler" <dtravel@sonic.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/4/2024 9:00 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>>  Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> >>>>  On 6/3/2024 7:31 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> >>>>>  Can one intend to commit a crime be proven without the crime having 
> >>>>>  been committed? The intent is the criminal act for the purpose of the
> >>>>>  criminal charge of fraud based on proving intent in the underlying
> >>>>>  crime?
> >>>  
> >>>>>  I don't get it.
> >>>  
> >>>>  Possession of tools to commit burglary.
> >>>  
> >>>  I'm going to need a little more here to understand what the state must
> >>>  prove. Do the police need to find evidence of what property was about to
> >>>  be burgled? Otherwise I don't see how intent to commit the crime of
> >>>  burglary could be proved.
> >> 
> >> I was meaning to point out that possession of the tools used to commit 
> >> burglaries is, in and of itself, illegal in most jurisdictions.  There 
> >> is no need to prove that there was a burglary committed or even an 
> >> intent to commit one. Just having the tools to do so is illegal.
> >
> >There has to be more than mere possession because every typical American
> >household contains the tools to commit burglary.
> >
> Isn't it an issue of having the tools on your person while outside the
> home? So it doesn't matter what you have at home.

Well, I carry a crowbar and bolt cutters as standard equipment in the 
back of my car, yet I've never burglarized anything.