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In article <v2qa76$2ce49$2@dont-email.me>,
 moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 5/23/2024 11:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > On May 23, 2024 at 7:29:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 5/23/2024 6:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> In article <v2obln$1ubc9$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>   
> >>>> On 5/23/2024 4:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>> In article <v2o7bi$1tkcc$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/23/2024 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <v2ns6e$1rgqc$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 5/22/2024 12:57 PM, Rhino wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> Once again, Leo Kearse hits it out of the park:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5uW1Htq7XU [10 minutes]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I listened to enough to hear the claim that truth is a defense
> >>>>>>>> against a charge of "incitement to hatred" ...which, obviously,
> >>>>>>>> it isn't.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As I said, the truth is now illegal.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But neither should citing the government's own crime statistics in 
> >>>>>>> a discussion about public policy be considered "incitement to hatred"
> >>>>>>> merely because it undermines the government's immigration agenda.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As I said, an "incitement to hatred" needn't carry any lie.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And expanding on what I said, if you make truth illegal because 
> >>>>> you've created circumstances that allow you to claim it leads to some 
> >>>>> nebulous concept of 'hatred', then you've successfully muzzled all
> >>>>> political opposition and have created a dictatorial society where
> >>>>> anyone who speaks against you is criminalized.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And this all comes from the people who are constantly bleating about
> >>>>> the need to "protect muh democracy!"
> >>>>
> >>>> There are enough laws, rules, regulations, and statutes in the world 
> >>>> to allow anyone to be prosecuted for (or exonerated of) anything. The
> >>>> ultimate trial arena is always in the mind of the ultimate presiding
> >>>> judge. So, if you mean to defend against this "incitement of hatred"
> >>>> charge, you'll have to argue either that the very concept is
> >>>> unconstitutional
> >>>   
> >>> Well, we're talking about Germany here not America, so 'unconstitutional'
> >>> isn't on the table, but yes, if this kind of law were to be passed here,
> >>> it would absolutely without question be unconstitutional.
> >>>   
> >>>> or that there's no valid reason it applies here.
> >>>   
> >>> There's no valid reason it should apply anywhere.
> >>
> >> Yet "incitement to hate" is a thing you recognize and deplore.  (Isn't
> >> it?) How is its subjectivity different from that of pornography?
> > 
> > https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1781169843351298050/vid/avc1/356x270/l
> > HOICO1gYm5AAqF8.mp4?tag=14
> > 
> > Incitement to hate? Should they all be arrested?
> 
> I don't understand what I'm seeing/hearing there.

A large crowd in front of Trump Tower chanting "New York hates you!"