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Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 20:23:29 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

> >Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 00:16:58 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
> >
> >> >Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 02:07:34 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
> >> >> >Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >> We had an acoustic coupler for awhile.  I think I could type faster than 
> >> >> >> it sent letters.
> >> >
> >> >> >That's like 300 speed. ;)
> >> >
> >> >> Depends on how fast you can type :-)
> >> >> 300 baud is probably amazingly fast to hunt-n-peck typists. 
> >> >
> >> >I hunt and peck on smartphones since I have to have one hand hold it and while other hand type!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> And in the 80s, before GUIs were common and everything -even a lot of
> >> >> games - were character-based, 300 baud was probably usable, if a bit
> >> >> slow. Although I can't imagine using anything that pokey for
> >> >> downloading stuff; even 28,8kbps was tedious at those speeds (the
> >> >> original Doom Shareware took me over an hour to get, back in the day).
> >> >> Even looking at images was a chore; you'd queue up two or three and
> >> >> that would be it for the night ;-)
> >> >
> >> >Yeah, but you had those evil line noises!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >> No, you didn't. Most modems supported the AT M0 command, which turned
> >> off the speaker from the start. It was one of the first AT commands I
> >> learned, and boy howdy did I make sure every AT string I used included
> >> it! That squeal people associate with the dial-up era of the Internet?
> >
> >> I never heard it.
> >
> >No, not the modem connection audio. The line noises that lag and even 
> >disconnect your connections. If the dial-up modem didn't have error 
> >corrections like my 2400 modems, then you get bunch of characters on 
> >screen if using text mode connections like in BBSes with terminal 
> >clients like $^UY&HW24tr856g65 (pretend some of these are extended ASCII 
> >characters too). :(

> Oh, that.

> I was fairly lucky; I never had significant problems with line noise
> (then again, as noted, the majority of my modeming-years were in an
> era where modems _did_ have built-in era correction). Disconnects were
> actually fairly uncommon for me. And software existed to automatically
> redial if there was a disconnect, so even when it did happen it wasn't
> more than a momentary annoyance.

I never had good and fast dial-up modem connections due to crappy copper 
phone lines and far away to central offices (COs). I couldn't even get 
DSL. Not even IDSL.


> Maybe it was more of an issue on the Apple ][; I really don't
> remember. It may or may not have had error-correction; I have no idea
> as to the specs or capability of the modem I used. (I dont' even know
> the brand).  But, I think, between the wonderousness of just being
> able to connect to another computer, and the fact that I didn't make
> much use of the thing, I've no recollection as to how often I had to
> redial because my connection got unceremoniously dumped whilst
> browsing some BBS.  It may have happened -it probably did- but it
> didn't stick with me as some tremendous disadvantage.

> Honestly, given the limited capability of the Apple ][, the computer
> probably froze long before the line noise had a chance to kill any
> connection. ;-)

I never had dial-up for my Apple //c. I got an internal Zoom (Hayes 
compatible) 2400 modem for my IBM PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC. It was 
Prodigy (still remember my TGSV85B ID) and BBSes. :)
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