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From: Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it.
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:38:16 -0500
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Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2024-12-12 12:20, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Linux's native apps for this are better than Apple-centric macOS GUI
>>>>>>>>>> apps [and therefore don't need replacement with Windows apps].
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ignoring that you are now attempting to deflect, you declared macOS to
>>>>>>>>> be inadequate simply because it COULD run Windows apps in CrossOver...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...so why isn't Linux inadequate when you actually CHOOSE to run Windows
>>>>>>>>> apps?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How are you drawing a distinction there?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YOU are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YOU are calling macOS inadequate for being able to do something that not
>>>>>>> only can one do in Linux, but moreover something YOU actually need to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm using Agent because I always used it.  It's one app.  I actually
>>>>>> would be motivated to switch if I were using macOS, probably, to
>>>>>> Usenapp, but that would be crazy given that Linux is the OS I would
>>>>>> prefer to run..
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, it was TWO apps when last I checked...
>>>>
>>>> I have three Windows apps installed, but Agent is the big one in use.
>>>
>>> Proving my your own metric that Linux is inadequate.
>> 
>> Incorrect, Intel Macs can do this too with CrossOver or even just
>> installing Wine.  Agent is very workable with Wine.
>
>But you said that it proved macOS was inadequate, doofus.
>
>Let me refresh your memory:
>
>'Another note, I ran Agent and mIRC under CrossOver for Mac, in 2010.
>This was due to the inadequacy of GUI apps for macOS, for Usenet and
>IRC.'
>
>But you run Windows apps under WiNE on Linux.
>
>So how isn't Linux also inadequate?
>
>>>>> But you're continuing to ignore the point.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're claiming that the mere EXISTENCE of a facility to run Windows
>>>>> software under macOS (CrossOver Mac) proves the inadequacy of macOS...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...so why doesn't the existence of the same facility on Linux prove its
>>>>> inadequacy?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Neither are bad things, actually.  I'm claiming that for IRC, Linux
>>>> has better options, and has options for Usenet that are acceptable,
>>>> including running a Windows client.
>>>
>>> And yet you declared it was proof of macOS's inadequacy...
>>>
>>> ...while not saying the same about Linux.
>> 
>> Well, it's easier to use Wine than a VM of Win11 ARM.
>
>That's not the point under discussion.
>
>Your need to use CrossOver on the Mac led you to declare Mac GUI apps 
>"inadequate".
>
>You have have that exact same need under Linux.
>
>So explain why Linux apps aren't "inadequate", too.


Frankly, I retract the intent of my statement, if not its sheer truth.
macOS does OK, on these things.


>>>>>>>>> And turning to your deflections:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Name such an app.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For Usenet, I've heard good things about Usenapp for macOS, never seen
>>>>>>>> it, it didn't exist when I had mine.  It may be better than what's
>>>>>>>> available for Linux GUI.  But certainly Linux has options for GUI IRC.
>>>>>>> You're supposed to be supporting your claim that:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Linux's native apps for this are better than Apple-centric macOS GUI apps'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And with no surprise at all, you're completely failing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I were starting without any Windows apps, I'd want to go toward
>>>>>> Linux for choice, yes.  There are specific things macOS excels at, but
>>>>>> I'm an Internet person, simply having a quality desktop is the
>>>>>> experience.  It's hardly surprising I'd be running Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> You made a specific claim:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Linux's native apps for this are better than Apple-centric macOS GUI apps'
>>>>>
>>>>> In what way are they "better"?
>>>>
>>>> Usenapp really may be a great GUI app for Usenet, like Agent,
>>>> available on macOS.  But I would still use Linux because of other
>>>> software.  Hell, on a Mac, I'd probably even get M$ Office.  But
>>>> that's kind of the point.  Now I've spent all this money on a computer
>>>> and software, that doesn't do anything better than I can with Linux
>>>> and LibreOffice.
>>> This wasn't about what you LIKE, doofus.
>>>
>>> This was about your declaration that:
>>>
>>> 'Linux's native apps for this are better than Apple-centric macOS GUI apps'
>>>
>>> Now, I don't know whether you were just referring to WiNE vs CrossOver
>>> Mac, or apps in general, but for once in your miserable existence, try
>>> backing up a claim you've made.
>> 
>> I actually might retract, in part, that Linux is better for a GUI IRC
>> client than macOS.  It's probably still technically true, but not in
>> the precise way I meant.  So, actually, macOS is pretty good for
>> Usenet and IRC support.
>Or you're just realizing you've been talking bullshit for the whole time.


Essentially, I was, not entirely but essentially.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.