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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: e-bikes are low powered motorcycles, not bicycles
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 17:43:07 -0400
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On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 21:29:50 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> On 4/21/2024 9:07 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 4/21/2024 4:09 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> A motor doesn’t make it a motor bike other than the very 
>>>> narrows of
>>>> definitions. 
>>> 
>>> From a pure logic standpoint, I think that statement is 
>>> precisely backwards. A bike with a motor is quite obviously 
>>> a motor bike. The manufacturers lobbied legislatures very 
>>> heavily to carve a very narrow exception into the laws, for 
>>> legal and sales purposes.
>>> 
>>> Which is not to say I totally condemn eBikes. There are 
>>> legitimate uses for them, and I suspect many of us will 
>>> someday require them. But they are problematic in several ways.
>>> 
>>> I definitely think the upper speed for power assist is far 
>>> too high in the U.S. I think eBikes should give no assist 
>>> above 12 mph.
>>> 
>> 
>> Without parsing the actual limit, Mr Merriman has a point.
>> 
>> In plain English, a bicycle with assisted power is a 'motor 
>> bike' but statutorily there's a distinction between 'assist' 
>> and 'motor vehicle'.
>
>Indeed while a E bike has a motor it’s power out put and weight and how
>it’s delivered are quite some distance away from a Motorbike, for example
>just commuting into central london as I did last week.
>
>Arriving at the lights with an annoyingly ridden E hire bike and a
>motorbike. The Motorbike from experience would easily out accelerate me,
>the E bike while faster than say a roadie is comfortably within my ability
>to out accelerate and also out pace. They where one of many E bikes that I
>passed, I passed no motorcycles they all passed me.
>
>Roger Merriman

There's a bigger difference between a Honda 125cc and a Harley
Davidson than between an ebike and the Honda 125cc