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From: FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Alec Baldwin getting away with murder
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 08:43:51 -0400
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On 3/10/24 3:26 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 3/10/2024 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <uske60$307pd$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/8/24 10:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <usgcnh$2022l$3@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/7/24 5:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <17ba9b03ee0e9624$13863$3298354$c2d58868@news.newsdemon.com>,
>>>>>>     moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/7/2024 4:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <usd4m9$17bvi$1@dont-email.me>, Alan Smithee 
>>>>>>>> <alms@last.inc>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 03/07/2024 01:42 PM, EGK wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 09:59:02 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Classic example of shit rolling downhill and our two-tiered 
>>>>>>>>>> justice
>>>>>>>>>> system. Baldwin is "loose" with weapons on the set and he 
>>>>>>>>>> fires the
>>>>>>>>>> fatal shot but because he hired a young and very inexperienced
>>>>>>>>>> armorer, she ends up being the perfect scapegoat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you watch the trial yesterday? She was quoted as saying she 
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> not be responsible for everyone on the set. Even tho it is her 
>>>>>>>>> job to
>>>>>>>>> be responsible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Baldwin should be held accountable, but he will likely walk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once upon a time, I spent an afternoon on the CSI:HORATIO set as a
>>>>>>>> technical advisor (the episode dealt with counterfeit currency 
>>>>>>>> and they
>>>>>>>> took none of my advice regarding how what they were doing wasn't
>>>>>>>> accurate in any way), and in every scene with guns, as soon as they
>>>>>>>> yelled cut, the armorer zipped in and took everyone's pistols 
>>>>>>>> and put
>>>>>>>> them on a table over in the corner of the sound stage. He stood 
>>>>>>>> watch
>>>>>>>> over them until the resets were done and they were ready to go 
>>>>>>>> again,
>>>>>>>> then he handed them all back out again.**
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (I do not know if there was a separate sunglass wrangler for David
>>>>>>>> Caruso.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **The armorer guy went white as a sheet near the end of the day 
>>>>>>>> when it
>>>>>>>> came to his attention that I'd been sitting on set all afternoon 
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> an actual loaded handgun under my suit coat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Based on what I saw that day and how firearms are treated on set 
>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>> responsible armorer, Baldwin should never have been playing 
>>>>>>>> around with
>>>>>>>> a gun outside of an actual filmed scene, and certainly shouldn't 
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> been pointing it at people. What possible reason could he have 
>>>>>>>> had for
>>>>>>>> pointing it at the director and the DP?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was he not rehearsing a scene that called for him to point the 
>>>>>>> gun at
>>>>>>> the camera and then to "fire"? If he was, then I can buy that he 
>>>>>>> did no
>>>>>>> worse than most movie actors would've.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another thing the CSI folks had were dummy guns for such 
>>>>>> rehearsals. Big
>>>>>> hunks of brightly-colored plastic that are shaped like handguns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> E.g.:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.securityprousa.com/collections/training-guns
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They used those for rehearsals and only brought out the real guns 
>>>>>> for an
>>>>>> actual take. Even in the actual take, only the people whose guns 
>>>>>> needed
>>>>>> to cycle for realism were given real firearms. Everyone else had 
>>>>>> black
>>>>>> painted gun replicas that were nothing but solid pieces of 
>>>>>> plastic. They
>>>>>> looked real on camera but had no ability to shoot anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Then go and try THAT case, because it has nothing to do with THIS one.
>>>>
>>>> It shows that compared to other productions in the same industry, this
>>>> movie was playing fast and loose with safety.
>>>>
>>> So prove that was Baldwin's fault.
>>
>> Baldwin was the producer. The captain is responsible for his ship.
> 
> The captain hired a licensed armorer.
> 
> And an Assistant Director who declared the gun "cold".
He PLED out, while the armorer was convicted.

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