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On 3/12/24 5:50 AM, trotsky wrote:
> On 3/12/24 2:59 AM, FPP wrote:
>> On 3/12/24 12:06 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> Anim, as someone who has worked in the TV/Film industry I'd like your
>>>> serious opinion on something.  Elsewhere I'm involved in a discussion
>>>> where we are wondering how Apple can get away with the prices it 
>>>> charges
>>>> and is there anything it actually does better than a high-end PC.
>>>> Someone suggested video and audio (music) work.
>>>>
>>>> So my question is what would you use now for video and/or FX work?  And
>>>> why please?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I’ve been retired for a few years now and just doing consulting 
>>> and
>>> kibitzing so I really can’t speak to what I would use if I were going to
>>> start over.
>>>
>>> But in my day, the people that actually did the work did it on Macs or
>>> Linux and the people who thought they did the work, but were  just in 
>>> the
>>> way used windows.
>>>
>>> There’s a school of thought that “cheaper is better“ regardless of 
>>> anything
>>> else. And those are the people that always wanted us to use windows. 
>>> They
>>> would buy a PC for $1000 and say see this is way better than your Mac 
>>> that
>>> cost 1500 but then they would have to go out and add a whole bunch of 
>>> stuff
>>> to it and end up out of pocket $2000 and still not have half the 
>>> computer
>>> the Apple guys did.
>>>
>>> Compare this thinking to beta versus VHS. There’s absolutely no doubt 
>>> Beta
>>> was better in every measurable capacity, but VHS was better at promotion
>>> and underhanded pricing deals. So it won.
>>>
>>> The big thing, though was the software. The powerhouse software for
>>> animation didn’t exist or existed in limited form for windows. We used
>>> electric image for years and the big award-winning Intel inside 
>>> commercials
>>> that everybody loved were done on Macs because the windows Intel 
>>> machines
>>> couldn’t run electric image!  Linker systems, animation stand, which was
>>> the big deal for coloring and animating traditional cel animation, same
>>> notation. Mac only.
>>>
>>> Similar notations for audio editing and production.
>>>
>>> When I switched over to Maxon Cinema, 4D, because electric image got
>>> destroyed by evil Ukrainians there was a larger penetration of Windows
>>> users, but the serious version of the software and the serious users 
>>> of the
>>> software were still all Apple based.
>>>
>>> About the only things we couldn’t use were MAX and MAYA. MAYA finally 
>>> came
>>> around. Then there was light wave, which I never liked for a moment. 
>>> I told
>>> the guys at IIRC zoic who were doing firefly, and the new Battlestar
>>> Galactica, and the company was saying it was all done on lightwave that
>>> while Galactically sucked firefly was by far the best light wave I’d 
>>> ever
>>> seen. They laughed and fessed up that lightwave never got anywhere near
>>> firefly; that was all Maya. Galactica was done by their B and C team in
>>> lightwave, copying as best they could stylistically what the A-Team was
>>> doing with Maya on firefly.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You know what really made VHS more popular than Beta?  In the early 
>> days, VHS had a longer run time. Beta didn't.
>>
>>> Betamax’s ultimate demise was the shortage in recording times. A 
>>> longer film, or even the average sports game, would have to be 
>>> separated into at least two cassettes for the Betamax. But do you 
>>> know why Sony intentionally kept the cassettes small?
>>> The cassette design was inspired by its predecessor U-matic. U-matic 
>>> had a recording time of only one hour. But since broadcasters were 
>>> the main user group of the U-matic, they never expressed any concerns 
>>> because studios had multiple machines running and typically had 
>>> commercial breaks separating recordings.
>>
>>> Based off these trends, Sony believed one hour cassettes would 
>>> suffice. They even dubbed the small size as “convenient” compared to 
>>> the larger VHS tapes. Even the Betamax’s longest cassette, the L-830 
>>> tape, could only run for a maximum five hours versus VHS which 
>>> started creating tapes covering up to ten and a half hours of film. 
>>> Size does matter, and in this case the bigger the better. 
>>> Consequently, VHS took over the market as the standard home recording 
>>> device.
>>
>>
>> Since most movies used to clock in at 2 hours and under, VHS was a no 
>> brainer.
> 
> 
> I'm not sure how this is a discussion.  The only analog format left 
> standing is vinyl.  Hell shellac records are still playable.  Analog 
> consumer video tape is unwatchable by today's standards.  So is Anim8r's 
> Liberace act.
> 

There are people who pay big money for old VHS movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgKVLL0RcII

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