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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
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Subject: Re: What Did You Watch? 2024-03-09 (Saturday)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 04:39:59 -0000 (UTC)
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Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
>On 3/12/24 7:27 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
>>>On 3/12/24 6:37 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>On 3/12/24 11:12 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

>>>>>>>>. . .

>>>>>>>Because SD looks like s**t on an 4k TV.
>>>>>>>IOW, not just the "FX", but *everything*!!

>>>>>>>I would have figured by 2002 that most everything was filming in HD -
>>>>>>>"...Jules Verne" had done so 3 years prior, and even shows on The WB,
>>>>>>>like "Babes of Prey" from the year previous, were filmed in HD.

>>>>>>>But I guess it took until c.2005 before everything, even stuff like
>>>>>>>"Tracker", was filmed in HD.

>>>>>>Huh?

>>>>>IOW, even through 2005, a lot of stuff was still filmed in SD. It wasn't
>>>>>until 2005 that even low-rent stuff like "Tracker" was filmed in HD.

>>>>Filmed in SD? That's not how it works. That's not how any of it works.

>>>>The premiere color Western television series for the late 1950s and
>>>>early 1960s were filmed on 35 mm film, just like movies. Some were in
>>>>Technicolor. Even b&w filmed tv series were filmed on 35 mm movie film.

>>>>By the mid to late '60s, they were using cheaper Eastman Color, which
>>>>faded after three years or so.

>>>>I just looked up Tracker: Super 16 mm Arriflex system. That's why it
>>>>looked like crap.

>>>>That's a method of television production that got worse.

>>>>I'm not sure what we count as the first tv series videoed, not filmed,
>>>>that didn't look like crap. Not The Secret Life of Jules Verne.

>>>"CSI"?

>>CSI was filmed for 16:9, I think from the beginning.

>>Various Panavision cameras, 35 mm film
 
>>>"Babes of Prey"?

>>4:3

>>Arricam ST and Arricam 435. Both are 35 mm film systems.

>>>I doubt either were "filmed", but both were HD.

>>Both were filmed. Ian, you're not listening.

>Try not to be tedious, Adam. I was listening. I just don't know off-hand 
>which shows were filmed and which were shot on tape.

You could see with your own eyes. If the quality was better, then it was
filmed on movie film. But I confirmed it with IMDb.

>For instance, I didn't list "Smallville", as I am pretty sure that show 
>was filmed.

35 mm on a variety of Kodak/Eastman cameras. Super 35 3-perf pulldown
which saves film and results in an image of approximately 16:9.

IMDb sez video "positive film print" for broadcast, 16:9 anamorphic NTSC
for season 1, and HDTV for the remaining seasons.

Perhaps "printing directly to broadcast-quality video" without first
creating an intermediate print on positive film wasn't practical in the
late '90s.

>. . .