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From: Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net>
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Subject: Re: Babel
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 14:44:57 -0700
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On 3/28/2024 9:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:44:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 3/27/2024 4:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>>> Tim Illingworth <tim@smofs.org> wrote:
>>>>> Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>>>>> Regardless of nigglined edge cases, the point remains.  Russia has
>>>>>> been invaded many times in history, while the US mainland has not.
>>>>
>>>>> December 1814 not count?
>>>>
>>>> I think you mean August of that year.  More recently there was an
>>>> invasion of Pennsylvania in June and July 1863.
>>>
>>> 1814 definitely counts, although we really needed a new capitol building
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> The 1863 invasion is kind of a special case because it depends on whether
>>> you define the invaders as US citizens or not.  Since the war was about
>>> who was a citizen and who wasn't, and the US won, I think it fair to define
>>> them as rebellious citizens.  My Confederate-supporting high school history
>>> teacher would not do so, however.
>>>
>>>> Some might also count January 2021.  Is it an invasion of all
>>>> participants were US citizens?  One person there was carrying the
>>>> flag of the nation (not US state) of Georgia, though he was probably
>>>> just confused.
>>>
>>> Does not count, for the same reason that 1863 unpleasantness doesn't.
>>
>> Agreed, insurrection is not invasion.
> 
> I find it amazing how many people are still niggling about this.
> 
> Why is it so hard to believe that Russia, given its situation, has
> been invaded more often than the USA? Is there a contest on to see
> which country has been invaded most often? Is there a prize at stake?
> 
> As to Jan 6 2021 -- if Trump is/was, in fact, an agent of Putin (as
> many of his supporters appear to be, given their eagerness to gift
> Putin Ukraine), then it was not an insurrection -- it was treason,
> pure and simple.
> 
> The interesting question is whether States can use their newly granted
> authority to bar candidates from local office (but not for
> President/VP) can bar candidates from Senate and House races? Although
> they are part of the Federal gummint, they /do/ represent the State,
> after all.

With the current SC they will try to rule such that MAGA people cannot 
be barred but everyone else can be.  :P

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