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From: Ted <ted.road@qmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Sermon On The Mount
Followup-To: alt.eat-shit.and-die.asshole
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 13:10:37 -0400
Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org)
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% wrote:
> Skeeter wrote:
>> In article <MPG.40789974c90781c6989796@news.usenetexpress.com>,
>> skeeter@hotmale.com says...
>>>
>>> In article <jSnPN.762250$xHn7.115534@fx14.iad>, ted.street@gmail.com
>>> Ted says...
>>>>
>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <17c2dc96aff8594a$169751$3716115
>>>>> $22dd286e@news.thecubenet.com>, precent@yohoo.not says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ted wrote:
>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <660d9859$0$3711207$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>> skeeterweed@photonmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <uuhjee$3ruce$1@i2pn2.org>, ted.road@qmail.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <MPG.40749778856be9bb98978d@news.usenetexpress.com>, >>>>>
>>>>>> skeeter@hotmale.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>> <17c22d00da46064a$96254$3081049$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> precent@yohoo.not says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <%SjON.762036$p%Mb.11195@fx15.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>> ted.street@gmail.com >>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David LaRue wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:wjhON.99871$24ld.78660@fx07.iad:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> % wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice of Authority wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Why did the Romans crucify Jesus?  Because he
>>>>>> had >>>> become >>>>>>>>>>>>    too woke.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1774230983350362304>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        --bks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was also a Communist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth is a figure who is often emulated
>>>>>>>>>> for his >>>>>>>>>> emphasis on kindness, mercy and love, but
>>>>>> many >>>> of his >>>>>>> disciples >> > seem to miss a very large
>>>>>> part of >>>> his teachings in >>>>>>> their attempts >> > to mimic
>>>>>> his virtues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Many of Jesusâ?? ideas would be considered
>>>>>>>>>> controversial in >>>>>>> the >> > modern world, but his
>>>>>> attitudes >>>> regarding economics >>>>>>> would be >> > especially
>>>>>> radical, >>>> aligning less with the >>>>>>> conservative views of
>>>>>>>>> many of >>>> his followers and more with >>>>>>> the far-left
>>>>>> views we now >>>> call >> > communist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, the mainstream interpretations of Jesusâ??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophy seem >> > to ignore or undermine his economic
>>>>>>>>>> ideals, >>>>>>> most often in the >> > interest of preserving
>>>>>>>>>> capitalism.  >>>>>>> American history has given us >> > many
>>>>>>>>>> examples of Biblical >>>>>>> interpretations being used to
>>>>>> excuse >>>>>>> harmful institutions >>>>>>> such as slavery and
>>>>>> attempt to >>>> de-radicalize >> > the image of >>>>>>> popular
>>>>>> figures such as >>>> Martin Luther King Jr. It is >> > only >>>>>>>
>>>>>> responsible that >>>> we separate Jesusâ??  relationship with money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>> that of any churches who stand to profit
>>>>>> financially from >>>>>>> >>>> more >> > capitalist interpretations
>>>>>> of his words.  >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>     We can read stories about
>>>>>> Jesusâ?? emphasis on >>>> communal >>>>>>> practices, >> > like
>>>>>> sharing meals and labor and >>>> starting the >>>>>>> tradition now
>>>>>>>>> referred to as >>>> â??communion.â? We can also see >>>>>>>
>>>>>> that he has a >> > >>>> particular interest in the needs of people
>>>>>> who >>>>>>> his >>>> society would >> > rather abandon such as
>>>>>> women who had >>>>>>> >>>> committed adultery and those >> > with
>>>>>> leprosy or physical >>>>>>>>>>> disabilities.  >> > >>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>> tells his followers to >>>> forgive their debtors, that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should >> > not store up >>>> treasures on earth and that
>>>>>> they cannot >>>>>>> serve both God >> >>>>> and money. In Matthew
>>>>>> 21, he becomes so >>>>>>> enraged by >>>> people using a >> >
>>>>>> temple for economic exchange, he >>>>>>> >>>> starts flipping
>>>>>> tables.  >> > >>>>>>>>>> In Matthew 19, a rich >>>> man approaches
>>>>>> him for instruction and >>>>>>> Jesus >> > tells >>>> him to give
>>>>>> up all his possessions and give the >>>>>>> money to >>>> the >> >
>>>>>> poor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      â??It is easier for a camel to go through the eye
>>>>>>>>>> of a >>>>>>> needle than >> > for someone who is rich to enter
>>>>>>>>>> the Kingdom of >>>>>>> God,� Jesus said in >> > Matthew 19:24
>>>>>>>>>> NIV.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      This notion that a rich person would have to stop
>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>> rich in >> > order to follow him is explicitly
>>>>>>>>>> incompatible with >>>>>>> capitalist >> > thinking. Why make
>>>>>>>>>> people choose between >>>>>>> following him and pursuing >> >
>>>>>>>>>> wealth unless he dislikes the >>>>>>> effects of wealth and
>>>>>> hopes >>>> to >> > counteract them in some way >>>>>>> by
>>>>>> encouraging an >>>> alternative lifestyle >> > among his followers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Despite the context and direct nature of his
>>>>>>>>>> statement, it >>>>>>> seems >> > to be interpreted quite
>>>>>>>>>> differently by many wealthy and >>>>>>> influential >> >
>>>>>>>>>> Christians who have yet to give up their >>>>>>> possessions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Under capitalism, interpretations favored by
>>>>>> rich >>>> people are >>>>>>> given >> > more of a platform. This has
>>>>>>>>>> created the exact type of >>>>>>> hierarchy >> > among Jesusâ??
>>>>>>>>>> fans that he devoted so much time to >>>>>>> warning against.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> His attempts to redistribute power are >>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>>>> downplayed, and this >> > is interpreted instead as a story
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about how nobody is perfect.  >> > >>>>>>>>>>    SIUE is
>>>>>>>>>> home to a large Christian population, including 20 >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Christian organizations, whose members I sincerely hope will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid >> > such a convenient dismissal of this issue.
>>>>>> All >>>> of us at >>>>>>> SIUE, >> > Christian or otherwise, should
>>>>>>>>>> question the >>>>>>> motivations of our >> > sources.
>>>>>> Information >>>> is never presented >>>>>>> without an agenda, and
>>>>>> it >> > is >>>> alarmingly common for >>>>>>> information to be
>>>>>> presented in >>>> deceitful >> > ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      An idea as simple as â??love your neighborsâ?
>>>>>> can >>>> be used >>>>>>> to promote >> > the exact opposite
>>>>>> message. I >>>> hope that any >>>>>>> readers seeking to >> >
>>>>>> understand Jesusâ??  >>>> words will think >>>>>>> critically about
>>>>>> their own >> > >>>> ideologies as well and whether >>>>>>> they
>>>>>> align more closely >>>> with the >> > whitewashed commercial
>>>>>>>>>>>>> version that grants >>>> wishes or the radical >> >
>>>>>> political figure >>>>>>> portrayed in >>>> the Bible.  >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody reads anything this long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. In fact, the motivation is not to even start
>>>>>>>>>> reading >>>>>>>> it.  Very brief posts, otoh, almost always get
>>>>>>>>>> read.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus (and God) taught those that were willing to learn.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were unwilling to read a few words, let alone
>>>>>>>>>> books, how do >>>>>>> you hope to learn what was being taught?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus and the New Testament were needed because of the
>>>>>>>>>> many that >>>>>>> were unwilling to learn and follow the simple
>>>>>>>>>> rules of the Old >>>>>>> Testament.  He wants you to understand
>>>>>>>>>> and follow him.  It is >>>>>>> your choice.
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