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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 22:48:14 -0400
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Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-13 22:23, Anonymous wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business 
>>>>>>>>>>>> partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in most 
>>>>>>>>>>> civilised
>>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
>>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
>>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>>
>>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>>
>>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>>
>>>> then why wasn't
>>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>>
>>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
>>> CJS for a long time.
>>
>> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>>
>> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>>
>>>> If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
>>>> charged?
>>>
>>> Not yet. Here's hoping...
>>>
>>>>>> The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
>>>>>> actual justice.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
>>>>>>> prosecuted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? Civil law is just as important.
>>>>
>>>> Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
>>>> in the criminal system.
>>>
>>> Still evidence of wrongdoing.
>>>
>>>>>>> Why should it be any different for Trump?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody is saying it should be.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
>>>>> trial. The courts should decide.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
>>>>>>>>> wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
>>>>>>>>> be pretty street criminal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All politically-motivated persecutions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
>>>>>>>>> own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
>>>>>>>>> lot of them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How people for that, I don't know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
>>>>>>>> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
>>>>>>> desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
>>>>>>> it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
>>>>>>> society works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>>
>>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>>
>> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
>> if you really want to get into that debate.
>>
>> Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly committed.
> 
> Sure he has.

No he hasn't.

> It is literally in the indictments.
> 
> <https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>
> 
> I'll give you one example:
> 
> 'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses the 
> defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE , in 
> violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows: The defendant, in the 
> County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to 
> defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission 
> thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, 
> to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a 
> record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the 
> Trump Organization.'
> 
> That's a FELONY, doofus.
> 
> There are 33 more listed there.

Those are upgraded misdemeanors, because there is allegedly an UNDERLYING
felony. Show us the UNDERLYING felony.