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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 01:09:58 -0400
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Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-14 19:48, Anonymous wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-13 22:23, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in most 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> civilised
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case 
>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
>>>>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>>>>
>>>>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>>>>
>>>>>> then why wasn't
>>>>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>>>>
>>>>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>>>>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
>>>>> CJS for a long time.
>>>>
>>>> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>>>>
>>>>>> If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
>>>>>> charged?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not yet. Here's hoping...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
>>>>>>>> actual justice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
>>>>>>>>> prosecuted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why? Civil law is just as important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
>>>>>> in the criminal system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still evidence of wrongdoing.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why should it be any different for Trump?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody is saying it should be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
>>>>>>> trial. The courts should decide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd 
>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> be pretty street criminal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All politically-motivated persecutions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
>>>>>>>>>>> own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hypocrites the
>>>>>>>>>>> lot of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How people for that, I don't know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
>>>>>>>>>> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
>>>>>>>>> desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
>>>>>>>>> it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
>>>>>>>>> society works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>>>>
>>>>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>>>>
>>>> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
>>>> if you really want to get into that debate.
>>>>
>>>> Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly committed.
>>>
>>> Sure he has.
>>
>> No he hasn't.
>>
>>> It is literally in the indictments.
>>>
>>> <https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>
>>>
>>> I'll give you one example:
>>>
>>> 'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses the 
>>> defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE , 
>>> in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows: The defendant, in 
>>> the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with 
>>> intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the 
>>> commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of 
>>> an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017, 
>>> marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and 
>>> maintained by the Trump Organization.'
>>>
>>> That's a FELONY, doofus.
>>>
>>> There are 33 more listed there.
>>
>> Those are upgraded misdemeanors, because there is allegedly an UNDERLYING
>> felony. Show us the UNDERLYING felony.
> 
> You don't understand the law.
> 
> There doesn't have to be an "underlying felony".
> 
> There just has to be an underlying crime that the falsification was undertaken 
> in furtherance of.

Fine, then what was the underlying crime?