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On 2024-04-16 15:25, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-15 22:09, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-14 19:48, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-13 22:23, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> customer or business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in most civilised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conviction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> civil case is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done 
>>>>>>>>>>>> something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally 
>>>>>>>>>> wrong? You've
>>>>>>>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually 
>>>>>>>>>> assaulted one
>>>>>>>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> then why wasn't
>>>>>>>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, 
>>>>>>>> especially
>>>>>>>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated 
>>>>>>>> well by the
>>>>>>>> CJS for a long time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the 
>>>>>>> truth. LOL!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
>>>>>>>>> charged?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not yet. Here's hoping...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
>>>>>>>>>>> actual justice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation 
>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't just
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd 
>>>>>>>>>>>> rightly be
>>>>>>>>>>>> prosecuted.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why? Civil law is just as important.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
>>>>>>>>> in the criminal system.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still evidence of wrongdoing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should it be any different for Trump?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody is saying it should be.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and 
>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't face
>>>>>>>>>> trial. The courts should decide.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is. If it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fred he'd just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be pretty street criminal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separate cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All politically-motivated persecutions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until one of their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "persecution". Hypocrites the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How people for that, I don't know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> politically-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The 
>>>>>>>>>>>> right were
>>>>>>>>>>>> desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. Again,
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's 
>>>>>>>>>>>> not how fair
>>>>>>>>>>>> society works.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and 
>>>>>>>>>>> proscribe
>>>>>>>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to 
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone or
>>>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable 
>>>>>>> men, for one,
>>>>>>> if you really want to get into that debate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly 
>>>>>>> committed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure he has.
>>>>>
>>>>> No he hasn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is literally in the indictments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll give you one example:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, 
>>>>>> accuses the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS 
>>>>>> IN THE FIRST DEGREE , in violation of Penal Law §175.10, 
>>>>>> committed as follows: The defendant, in the County of New York and 
>>>>>> elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud 
>>>>>> and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the 
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