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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: The Alec Baldwin Left Hook
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2024 12:01:17 -0400
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On 4/27/2024 4:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
> On 4/26/24 2:03 PM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 4/26/2024 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" 
>>>>>>> <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a Baldwin 
>>>>>>>>>>> Shot to the jaw.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called 
>>>>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the 
>>>>>>>>>> RUST movie
>>>>>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or
>>>>>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from striking 
>>>>>>>>> her but says
>>>>>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was loaded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering, 
>>>>>>> idiot scumbag you
>>>>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a 
>>>>>>> video that makes
>>>>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch an 
>>>>>>> Alec Baldwin
>>>>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation, 
>>>>>>> revulsion,
>>>>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or say 
>>>>>>> anything that
>>>>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get the 
>>>>>>> benefit of the
>>>>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to 
>>>>>>> squander that
>>>>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant as 
>>>>>>> humanly
>>>>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I mean, 
>>>>>>> really,
>>>>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale, where 
>>>>>> Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around his own 
>>>>>> home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with Alzheimer's, 
>>>>>> but even on its own the scene undercuts any humane aspect to 
>>>>>> Moore's message.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to 
>>>>> whine about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required to 
>>>>> pry the gun out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones, as the 
>>>>> case may now be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is out of 
>>>>> whack even by your standards.  How do you put two and two together 
>>>>> and keep coming up with fifty million?
>>>>
>>>> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man 
>>>> evoked an instinctive viewer-response that transcended 
>>>> policy/politics.  It was a simple failure of technique, costly to 
>>>> his persuasiveness.
>>>
>>>
>>> Speak for yourself.  Just because you are sympathetic to an asshole 
>>> doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was.  The reviewers weren't 
>>> either.  The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of sick fucks, 
>>> and Heston was the head asshole before he did us the favor of dying. 
>>> Fuck you for even thinking that and being in full dipshit mode.  I 
>>> used to hang out with a guy who owned guys and I remember watching 
>>> this thing they showed kids with a character called Eddie Eagle, 
>>> teaching kids about gun safety.  The NRA had merit then, that was 
>>> back in the early 90s.  Then they reinvented themselves into a 
>>> lobbying organization so the gun industry could profit by selling 
>>> more and more guns.  They are scum.  If you don't get this I feel 
>>> sorry for you.
>>
>> I suppose this becomes a matter of how one feels about torture.
> 
> 
> It's not that hard to make a distinction between harassment and torture. 
>   Try harder.  I know you know what the words actually mean so stop 
> fucking around.

The distinction is a matter of degree.  What's the same is the motive.