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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: The Alec Baldwin Left Hook
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2024 15:02:22 -0400
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On 4/27/2024 1:45 PM, trotsky wrote:
> On 4/27/24 11:01 AM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 4/27/2024 4:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 4/26/24 2:03 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 4/26/2024 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" 
>>>>>>>>> <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a Baldwin 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shot to the jaw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the RUST movie
>>>>>>>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>>>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from striking 
>>>>>>>>>>> her but says
>>>>>>>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>>>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was loaded.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering, 
>>>>>>>>> idiot scumbag you
>>>>>>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a 
>>>>>>>>> video that makes
>>>>>>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch an 
>>>>>>>>> Alec Baldwin
>>>>>>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation, 
>>>>>>>>> revulsion,
>>>>>>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or say 
>>>>>>>>> anything that
>>>>>>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get the 
>>>>>>>>> benefit of the
>>>>>>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to 
>>>>>>>>> squander that
>>>>>>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant 
>>>>>>>>> as humanly
>>>>>>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I 
>>>>>>>>> mean, really,
>>>>>>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale, 
>>>>>>>> where Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around 
>>>>>>>> his own home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with 
>>>>>>>> Alzheimer's, but even on its own the scene undercuts any humane 
>>>>>>>> aspect to Moore's message.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to 
>>>>>>> whine about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required to 
>>>>>>> pry the gun out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones, as 
>>>>>>> the case may now be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is out 
>>>>>>> of whack even by your standards.  How do you put two and two 
>>>>>>> together and keep coming up with fifty million?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man 
>>>>>> evoked an instinctive viewer-response that transcended 
>>>>>> policy/politics.  It was a simple failure of technique, costly to 
>>>>>> his persuasiveness.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Speak for yourself.  Just because you are sympathetic to an asshole 
>>>>> doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was.  The reviewers weren't 
>>>>> either.  The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of sick fucks, 
>>>>> and Heston was the head asshole before he did us the favor of 
>>>>> dying. Fuck you for even thinking that and being in full dipshit 
>>>>> mode.  I used to hang out with a guy who owned guys and I remember 
>>>>> watching this thing they showed kids with a character called Eddie 
>>>>> Eagle, teaching kids about gun safety.  The NRA had merit then, 
>>>>> that was back in the early 90s.  Then they reinvented themselves 
>>>>> into a lobbying organization so the gun industry could profit by 
>>>>> selling more and more guns.  They are scum.  If you don't get this 
>>>>> I feel sorry for you.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose this becomes a matter of how one feels about torture.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not that hard to make a distinction between harassment and 
>>> torture.   Try harder.  I know you know what the words actually mean 
>>> so stop fucking around.
>>
>> The distinction is a matter of degree.  What's the same is the motive.
> 
> 
> And you're claiming that to be what?  Because what I'm hearing is your 
> thoughts are so fucked up and twisted that you think Chuck Heston's 
> treatment was more heinous than the massacre at Columbine.

Without any material (and, even then, likely dubious) aim, torture and 
harassment are merely about delighting in causing someone pain.