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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: The Alec Baldwin Left Hook
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2024 11:53:31 -0400
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On 4/28/2024 6:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
> On 4/27/24 2:02 PM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 4/27/2024 1:45 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 4/27/24 11:01 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 4/27/2024 4:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>> On 4/26/24 2:03 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" 
>>>>>>>>>>> <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baldwin Shot to the jaw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the RUST movie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "This material may not be published, broadcast, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rewritten, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   redistributed."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> striking her but says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was 
>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering, 
>>>>>>>>>>> idiot scumbag you
>>>>>>>>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a 
>>>>>>>>>>> video that makes
>>>>>>>>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch 
>>>>>>>>>>> an Alec Baldwin
>>>>>>>>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation, 
>>>>>>>>>>> revulsion,
>>>>>>>>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or 
>>>>>>>>>>> say anything that
>>>>>>>>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get 
>>>>>>>>>>> the benefit of the
>>>>>>>>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to 
>>>>>>>>>>> squander that
>>>>>>>>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant 
>>>>>>>>>>> as humanly
>>>>>>>>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I 
>>>>>>>>>>> mean, really,
>>>>>>>>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale, 
>>>>>>>>>> where Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around 
>>>>>>>>>> his own home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with 
>>>>>>>>>> Alzheimer's, but even on its own the scene undercuts any 
>>>>>>>>>> humane aspect to Moore's message.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to 
>>>>>>>>> whine about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required 
>>>>>>>>> to pry the gun out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones, 
>>>>>>>>> as the case may now be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is 
>>>>>>>>> out of whack even by your standards.  How do you put two and 
>>>>>>>>> two together and keep coming up with fifty million?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man 
>>>>>>>> evoked an instinctive viewer-response that transcended 
>>>>>>>> policy/politics.  It was a simple failure of technique, costly 
>>>>>>>> to his persuasiveness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speak for yourself.  Just because you are sympathetic to an 
>>>>>>> asshole doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was.  The reviewers 
>>>>>>> weren't either.  The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of 
>>>>>>> sick fucks, and Heston was the head asshole before he did us the 
>>>>>>> favor of dying. Fuck you for even thinking that and being in full 
>>>>>>> dipshit mode.  I used to hang out with a guy who owned guys and I 
>>>>>>> remember watching this thing they showed kids with a character 
>>>>>>> called Eddie Eagle, teaching kids about gun safety.  The NRA had 
>>>>>>> merit then, that was back in the early 90s.  Then they reinvented 
>>>>>>> themselves into a lobbying organization so the gun industry could 
>>>>>>> profit by selling more and more guns.  They are scum.  If you 
>>>>>>> don't get this I feel sorry for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose this becomes a matter of how one feels about torture.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not that hard to make a distinction between harassment and 
>>>>> torture.   Try harder.  I know you know what the words actually 
>>>>> mean so stop fucking around.
>>>>
>>>> The distinction is a matter of degree.  What's the same is the motive.
>>>
>>>
>>> And you're claiming that to be what?  Because what I'm hearing is 
>>> your thoughts are so fucked up and twisted that you think Chuck 
>>> Heston's treatment was more heinous than the massacre at Columbine.
>>
>> Without any material (and, even then, likely dubious) aim, torture and 
>> harassment are merely about delighting in causing someone pain.
> 
> 
> So what you're saying is the guy who belongs to the "pull yourself up by 
> the bootstraps" party was in a lot of emotional pain there?  Is this 
> some sort of exercise in disingenuousness?  Hell, no gun was pulled from 
> his cold dead hands, why didn't he brandish one at MM?  Let me guess: he 
> was just a doddering old fool at that point and just lucked out by being 
> President of the biggest lobbying organization in the history of 
> Washington.  Makes sense.

What I'm saying is that, if there's nothing to gain from torture, you're 
left with merely the question of whether to cheer for it.