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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: The Alec Baldwin Left Hook
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2024 16:52:19 -0400
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On 4/28/2024 3:31 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 4/28/2024 6:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 4/27/24 2:02 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 4/27/2024 1:45 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>> On 4/27/24 11:01 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/27/2024 4:19 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/26/24 2:03 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/26/24 11:25 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/26/2024 4:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/24 1:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2024 12:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024 at 2:49:02 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    On 4/23/2024 1:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    For once I'm on Alec's side. This girl deserved a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baldwin Shot to the jaw.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1782537868654592000/pu/vid/avc1/320x568/fUPEunTyWUNbP57L.mp4?tag=12
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    https://apple.news/A9M48T4LsTYOCvCmG3eY14Q
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    "The agitator, who hosts a show on social media called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crackhead Barney &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Friends and is known for ambush interviews"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bowiecreators.com/project/crackhead-barney-and-friends-nyc-interview-fds-festival-performance-lausanne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    "shooting and killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the RUST movie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    set in 2021 using a gun he did not know was loaded."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Nice to know they've made that determination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    "This material may not be published, broadcast,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rewritten, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    redistributed."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    There's dissonance in a law that forbids him from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> striking her but says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    nothing about her emphatically asking for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The article says he hit her phone, not her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the article also says he didn’t know the gun was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you realize how much of an obnoxious, stupid, blithering,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot scumbag you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to be to make Alec Baldwin seem sympathetic; to create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> video that makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me feel sorry for Alec Baldwin? 'Cause usually when I watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Alec Baldwin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> video, the emotions I'm accustomed to feeling are irritation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> revulsion,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scorn. I didn't think it was possible for someone to do or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say anything that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would make me side with Alec Baldwin, but here we are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any interaction with Alec Baldwin, you automatically get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the benefit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt because you are not Alec Baldwin and he is. In order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> squander that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> advantage, you have to go out of your way to be as unpleasant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as humanly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible. And she managed to do it in less than a minute. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, really,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite an achievement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was almost reminiscent of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE's finale,
>>>>>>>>>>>> where Michael Moore hounds gun-advocate Charlton Heston around
>>>>>>>>>>>> his own home. Later we learned that Heston was dealing with
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alzheimer's, but even on its own the scene undercuts any
>>>>>>>>>>>> humane aspect to Moore's message.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I mean really, you can convolute the fuck out of things but to
>>>>>>>>>>> whine about a fuckhead who smiles about people being required
>>>>>>>>>>> to pry the gun out of his "cold dead hands" (or skeletal bones,
>>>>>>>>>>> as the case may now be) vs the granddaddy of mass shootings is
>>>>>>>>>>> out of whack even by your standards.  How do you put two and
>>>>>>>>>>> two together and keep coming up with fifty million?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The point is that Moore's visible torture of a decrepit old man
>>>>>>>>>> evoked an instinctive viewer-response that transcended
>>>>>>>>>> policy/politics.  It was a simple failure of technique, costly
>>>>>>>>>> to his persuasiveness.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Speak for yourself.  Just because you are sympathetic to an
>>>>>>>>> asshole doesn't mean the bulk of the audience was.  The reviewers
>>>>>>>>> weren't either.  The NRA transformed themselves into a bunch of
>>>>>>>>> sick fucks, and Heston was the head asshole before he did us the
>>>>>>>>> favor of dying. Fuck you for even thinking that and being in full
>>>>>>>>> dipshit mode.  I used to hang out with a guy who owned guys and I
>>>>>>>>> remember watching this thing they showed kids with a character
>>>>>>>>> called Eddie Eagle, teaching kids about gun safety.  The NRA had
>>>>>>>>> merit then, that was back in the early 90s.  Then they reinvented
>>>>>>>>> themselves into a lobbying organization so the gun industry could
>>>>>>>>> profit by selling more and more guns.  They are scum.  If you
>>>>>>>>> don't get this I feel sorry for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suppose this becomes a matter of how one feels about torture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not that hard to make a distinction between harassment and
>>>>>>> torture.   Try harder.  I know you know what the words actually
>>>>>>> mean so stop fucking around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The distinction is a matter of degree.  What's the same is the motive.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And you're claiming that to be what?  Because what I'm hearing is
>>>>> your thoughts are so fucked up and twisted that you think Chuck
>>>>> Heston's treatment was more heinous than the massacre at Columbine.
>>>>
>>>> Without any material (and, even then, likely dubious) aim, torture and
>>>> harassment are merely about delighting in causing someone pain.
>>>
>>>
>>> So what you're saying is the guy who belongs to the "pull yourself up by
>>> the bootstraps" party was in a lot of emotional pain there?  Is this
>>> some sort of exercise in disingenuousness?  Hell, no gun was pulled from
>>> his cold dead hands, why didn't he brandish one at MM?  Let me guess: he
>>> was just a doddering old fool at that point and just lucked out by being
>>> President of the biggest lobbying organization in the history of
>>> Washington.  Makes sense.
>>
>> What I'm saying is that, if there's nothing to gain from torture, you're
>> left with merely the question of whether to cheer for it.
> 
> You won’t know if there’s nothing to gain from torture until you try.

Well, I suppose there could be some aerobic benefit...