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From: FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: The 1st Amendment Apparently Doesn't Exist in New York Either
Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 10:09:56 -0400
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On 5/1/24 1:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v0tika$370i3$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/30/24 2:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On Apr 30, 2024 at 6:17:34 AM PDT, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/30/24 5:13 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>    
>>>>> In the U.S., politicians have demanded Internet censorship and have
>>>>> even engaged in it themselves. For example, the Supreme Court will soon
>>>>> hear Missouri v. Biden, a case in which the federal government coerced
>>>>> social media platforms to censor content it disagreed with-- even if
>>>>> the content was true.
>>>>>    
>>>>> Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law professor at George Washington
>>>>> University and free speech advocate who has written extensively on the
>>>>> issues of censorship and limitations on speech, has cautioned the U.S.
>>>>> against adopting European censorship laws that allow governments to
>>>>> stop people from saying things that governments oppose. Despite what
>>>>> many think, "hate speech", which is subjective, is protected both by
>>>>> the Constitution and by Supreme Court precedent.
>>>>>    
>>>>> He wrote:
>>>>>    
>>>>> "There have been calls to ban hate speech for years. Even former
>>>>> journalist and Obama State Department official Richard Stengel has
>>>>> insisted that while "the 1st Amendment protects 'the thought that we
>>>>> hate'... it should not protect hateful speech that can cause violence
>>>>> by one group against another. In an age when everyone has a megaphone,
>>>>> that seems like a design flaw."
>>>>>    
>>>>> Actually, it was not a design flaw but the very essence of the Framers'
>>>>> plan for a free society.
>>>>>    
>>>>> The 1st Amendment does not distinguish between types of speech, clearly
>>>>> stating: 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
>>>>> religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the
>>>>> freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably
>>>>> to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of
>>>>> grievances.'"
>>>>>    
>>>>> He cited Brandenburg v. Ohio, a 1969 case involving "violent speech",
>>>>> wherein the Supreme Court struck down an Ohio law prohibiting public
>>>>> speech that was deemed as promoting illegal conduct, specifically
>>>>> ruling for the right of the Ku Klux Klan to speak out, even though
>>>>> it is a hateful organization."
>>>>>    
>>>>> That ruling led to National Socialist Party of America v. Village of
>>>>> Skokie in 1977, where the Court unanimously ruled that the city
>>>>> government could not constitutionally deny a permit for the American
>>>>> Nazi Party to hold a march in the city streets, even in a city populated
>>>>> heavily by Holocaust survivors.
>>>>>    
>>>>> Turley also noted that in the 2011 case of RAV v. City of St. Paul, the
>>>>> Court struck down a ban on any symbol that 'arouses anger, alarm or
>>>>> resentment in others on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or
>>>>> gender, and in Snyder v. Phelps, also in 2011, the Court said that "the
>>>>> hateful protests of Westboro Baptist Church were protected".
> 
>>>>> https://www.standingforfreedom.com/2023/11/new-york-announces-it-will-take
>>>>> -citizen-surveillance-and-censorship-to-the-next-level/?twclid=2-6oshw3g6b
>>>>> xsmwqt160vrgne5i
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan Turley? Do better. You're a better lawyer than Jonathan
>>>> Turley... and what does that say?
>>>
>>> More of Effa's standard 'blame the messenger' dodge.
>>>
>>> Notice he doesn't (and can't) refute the fact that the Supreme Court cases
>>> cited by Turley actually exist and the rulings are what they are, so he
>>> just attacks the person citing them. This is one of the classic rhetorical
>>> and logical fallacies, one Effa has wholeheartedly embraced because he
>>> thinks it allows him to win on Usenet on any given day.
> 
>> Turley is an idiot. And he reads a calendar about as well as YOU read
>> English.
> 
> More of Effa's standard 'blame the messenger' dodge.
> 
> Notice he doesn't (and can't) refute the fact that the Supreme Court
> cases cited by Turley actually exist and the rulings are what they are,
> so he just attacks the person citing them. This is one of the classic
> rhetorical and logical fallacies, one Effa has wholeheartedly embraced
> because he thinks it allows him to win on Usenet on any given day.
> 

Turley is like every MAGA.  A bullshitter and a clown.

He made a learned legal argument that Biden was guilty when he wasn't 
even in office.  That's bush league.

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