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From: Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
Subject: Re: is my phone ON or is it OFF?
Date: 3 May 2024 14:19:54 GMT
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bad?sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
> On 5/2/24 11:22, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > bad?sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
> >> On 5/1/24 06:08, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >>> bad?sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 4/30/24 10:01, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >>> [...]
> >>>
> >>>>>      My take is that 'bad sector' just wants to ramble/vent.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not really, what I want is CHANGE. The BlackBerry had not only real
> >>>> buttons but chicklety ones extremely well engineeered for that positive
> >>>> feel. My son had one, they *were disappeared* just when I was getting
> >>>> set to buy one! I had to do with a basic cell-phone with no texto even.
> >>>> I did what I needed done but a while ago it packed up so I wanted to buy
> >>>> another one like it but with texto capability. My provider said
> >>>> "FORGET-IT, we've been keeping your special low-end account for as long
> >>>> as you phone would last, now it's NOT renewable anymore". So I went and
> >>>> bought this android zFlip5 but it's a giga-letdown for too many reasons
> >>>> to mention and I think I will get rid of it. I can live without a
> >>>> cell-phone, my take is that demand will eventually force design
> >>>> improvements as well as open source non-proprietary OS'es developed by
> >>>> units walking on two legs. Meanwhile I call a spade a spade and I will
> >>>> let no apple, faecesbook or goongle steer my life, they already have way
> >>>> too much influence on my bowel movements.
> >>>>
> >>>> tinyurl.com/3s7bkhw7
> >>>
> >>>     As I've said to others with similar needs/wants/complaints:
> >>>     
> >>>     Buy a 'dumb'/'feature' phone and be done with it. They still have real
> >>> keys/ buttons. have SMS capability and can work on modern 4G (and of
> >>> course 2G and 3G) networks. Problem solved.
> >>
> >> Other than satellite, where I live there are only 3 providers one of
> >> which (Bell) doesn't even have my physical address in their data base so
> >> when I call them they say "you do not exist". The other big one (Telus)
> >> is the only major that is available on paper but with only 4g service
> >> and so poor as to make the entire idea of a cell-phone laughable,
> >> tethering is a joke that NEVER works. The third one is a discount arm of
> >> Telus selling their crap for a few pennies less. I'm only saying this to
> >> put things into perspective. Telus as I said will NOT renew my old
> >> plane-jane service for a plain-jane flip phone fare, I have no choice
> >> but to go with the minimal but hefty price of full 5g and tethering
> >> package very little of which could I use with ANY phone and almost none
> >> of which with less. Bottom line, if I have service at all be that
> >> minimally high-end on paper, I might as well have the phone for it.
> > 
> >    If you tell the audience where (about) you live, they probably can
> > give you some sensible and reasonable cost alternative providers,
> > possibly/probably 'even' some prepaid ones.
> > 
> >    Meanwhile we in the read world - meaning non-US or maybe non-NA - have
> > no such problems. How I use or do not use my phone is no-one's business,
> > I only pay my provider(s) for what I need/use. End of story.
> 
> I live in eastern Quebec and our two levels of government can't even 
> spell "utility price controls" the way they do in Europe where unlimited 
> 4g plans are about 20 euros from what I hear.

  Why do you need an unlimited plan if you only want/need cals and SMS?

>					        But cost is NOT the issue 
> nor the topic which is "is my smartphone ON or OFF including on-hook 
> off" conditions which IMO are not that obvious all the time nor is their 
> setting as simple and intuitive as it could and should be.
> 
> When designing something as important as a communications tool or its OS 
> for the masses you sit down with a number of people who have never used 
> a cell phone and give them one asking 'is that phone ON or is it OFF 
> right now as it is'? In the event of no answer or a wrong answer it's 
> back to the drawing board UNTIL YOU GET IT RIGHT! Ditto for putting 
> on-hook or turning off without reading any manual in which context I 
> also want to see removable batteries.

  As I mentioned - and neither you nor anybody else debunked -, with
smartphones, 'dumb' phones and even 'cordless' ('landline') phones,
there *is* no on-hook/off-hook problem scenario.

  The on/off demand is unsolvable (without instructions/a_manual), i.e.
unrealistic. It's unsolvable for many/most devices, so why would a
mobile phone be different?

  As to (easily, user) removable batteries: Don't hold your breath.

  Bottom line:

[Rewind/repeat:]

> >>>>>      My take is that 'bad sector' just wants to ramble/vent.

[Resume:]

> I'm not looking to use providers whose head offices do not fall under 
> Canadian law. As I said there are 3 domestic ones here at least 
> theoretically available to me, all of them suck and a 4th one which I 
> haven't named gets such bad reports that I wouldn't even use them if 
> THEY paid ME.

  There are some Canadian posters in the smartphone groups who could
probably help with finding a Canadian provider, probably a MVNO (Mobile
Virtual Network Operator), but as far as I know, they're iPhone users,
so not likely to follow this group, unless crossposted.

> >> Problem 'solving' would BEGIN with stomping on the manufacturers' and
> >> providers' balls with both feet and forcing them into line or lose their
> >> market or licenses. Unfortunately our barbie-boy leader always sits with
> >> his legs crossed.