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From: Antonio Marques <no_email@invalid.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Rio e riu (pt)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 12:56:54 -0000 (UTC)
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Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:
> Wed, 15 May 2024 16:06:24 -0000 (UTC): Antonio Marques
> <no_email@invalid.invalid> scribeva:
> 
>> Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:
>>> Na conjugação do verbo ‘rir’ vemos semelhanças cruzadas em quatro
>>> formas verbais: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rir#Conjugation_3
>>> ri = she laughs
>>> ri = I laughed
>>> E também:
>>> rio = I laugh
>>> riu = she laughed
>> 
>> I laugh of January
>> 
>> https://br.pinterest.com/pin/576249714819711035/
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Pergunta: as pronúncias de ‘rio’ e ‘rui’ são idênticas? Ou existe uma
>>> differença subtil? Eu pensaria: em ‘rio’ o acento tónico está no i, em
> 
> Diferença. Interference from Interlingua (although I have hardly used
> that language recently).
> 
>>> ‘riu’ o acento está no ditongo enteiro.
>> 
>> *alguma (otherwise it suggests you have the exact difference in mind -
>> which you do have, but then the entire tone of the paragraph changes
>> markedly)
>> 
>> *pensaria que em
> 
> Couldn't the colon serve the same function as the 'que'?

In fact I hadn't seen it. But either with or without it, your sentence is
grammatical but would need to be within a text with a certain very uncommon
style.


> 
>> It depends on dialect. Around Lisbon there's a tendency to pronounce final
>> -io as a diphthong (whatever the word).
>> 
>> (Many people also have the mistaken impression that the norm is based on
>> the speech of that area.)
> 
> The 'folksy' pronunciation in Lisbon is markedly different, I think.
> 
>>> Cf. período, que muitos parece dizer como periúdo, porque, penso eu, o
>>> acento não cai no i, mas em <io> pronunciado [iu] ou [iw].
>> 
>> *parecem
> 
> You're right, of course.
> But:
> Parece que muitos dizem ...
> ou 
> Parece que muitos digam ...
> ?

Only in the negative. In the affirmative, we use the indicative.


> 
>> -íodo is remarkably problematic for our phonotactics, and what people do is
>> substitute -iúdo. A stressed [iw] diphthong doesn't work either, although
>> we sometimes try to make it do.
>> [Ew] is the other diphthong we have trouble stressing non-finally.
> 
> As in neutro and treuze (13). :0)

I don't think there's even any word with a stressed non-final éu.