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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: Oxford Music Professors: Sheet Music is White Supremacy
Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 10:57:28 -0400
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On 5/19/2024 7:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 5/19/2024 4:28 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:22:51 -0400
>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/18/2024 8:08 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 19:15:05 -0400
>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 4:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <v2b0i8$2u4t7$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <v2akce$2roir$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino"
>>>>>>>>>>> <no_offline_contact@example.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight-readers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that means it's a racist form of white supremacy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Because only white people can sight read perfectly or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rolls eyes>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black
>>>>>>>>>>>>> musicians who have managed the feat and somehow a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the concert pianists these days
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are of Asian origin...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that
>>>>>>>>>>>> they weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and
>>>>>>>>>>>> attributed this to race. To address that, all or most
>>>>>>>>>>>> auditions for orchestras started being done behind screens so
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the judges could only hear the performance but not see
>>>>>>>>>>>> the performer. But apparently Asians are now seen as white or
>>>>>>>>>>>> white allies and a certain group of people who I'll call
>>>>>>>>>>>> People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply
>>>>>>>>>>>> be given positions on orchestras without auditioning because
>>>>>>>>>>>> they have been discriminated against in the past. I assume
>>>>>>>>>>>> they're proposing some kind of quota system but I'm not sure
>>>>>>>>>>>> what percentage of the slots they're demanding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support
>>>>>>>>>>>> among the people who decide these things but, given the way
>>>>>>>>>>>> things are going in general, I would be surprised if this was
>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT done. Competence is going out of the window to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced by hiring on the basis of skin colour.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny
>>>>>>>>>>>> all of this and/or defend it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots,
>>>>>>>>>>> where literally everything in America was discovered to be
>>>>>>>>>>> racist, there was an article in the New York Times that
>>>>>>>>>>> asserted that the blind audition system used by most
>>>>>>>>>>> professional orchestras and ensembles was racist because it
>>>>>>>>>>> *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and
>>>>>>>>>>> the judges have no idea who the person is, what race they are,
>>>>>>>>>>> what gender they are, etc., it takes away the judge's ability
>>>>>>>>>>> to racially discriminate. This used to be considered a good
>>>>>>>>>>> thing, but in today's woke world, the inability to racially
>>>>>>>>>>> discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over whites) is
>>>>>>>>>>> a major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to
>>>>>>>>>>> result in orchestras being problematically white and Asian.
>>>>>>>>>>> When pure talent and ability are the only factors available
>>>>>>>>>>> upon which to base a decision, the resulting orchestras
>>>>>>>>>>> aren't 'diverse' enough for the intelligentsia.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to
>>>>>>>>>>> remove that screen so the judges see the players, can actively
>>>>>>>>>>> discriminate against whites and Asians, and make hiring
>>>>>>>>>>> decisions based on race and gender, rather than ability to
>>>>>>>>>>> play the music.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of
>>>>>>>>>>> racial discrimination is the goal of the modern
>>>>>>>>>>> 'progressive'... well, I have a few bridges to sell them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid
>>>>>>>>>>> of blind auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too
>>>>>>>>>>> many white classical musicians, there strangely was no plan to
>>>>>>>>>>> 'fix' the problem of too many black basketball players (or any
>>>>>>>>>>> recognition that it even is a problem in the first place).
>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder why that is?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action'
>>>>>>>>>> as though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your
>>>>>>>>>> view?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class
>>>>>>>>> so that you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to
>>>>>>>>> whitey.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than
>>>>>>>>> that they can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised
>>>>>>>>> you cheerlead for it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and
>>>>>>>>> they somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on
>>>>>>>>> sheer talent and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how
>>>>>>>>> that's not seen as a 'diversity' success but a problem that
>>>>>>>>> needs 'fixing'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.:
>>>>>>>> procedural bias meant to hasten the homogenization of an
>>>>>>>> artificially bifurcate society.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial
>>>>>>> about it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they
>>>>>>> may with regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance
>>>>>>> groups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial
>>>>>>> occurrence than is a mostly black basketball team. In both cases,
>>>>>>> the best people for the job are the ones who are hired.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, but a
>>>>>>> mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both are historically oppressed minorities and both organizations
>>>>>>> are what they are because they hired the best people for the job.
>>>>>>> Why is one a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that
>>>>>>> needs to be fixed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any general policy is subject to second-guessing in any given
>>>>>> instance.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Which says absolutely nothing as is typical for you when you fail to
>>>>> defend the indefensible.
>>>>
>>>> Let me help you out:  The 'general policy' is to promote blacks,
>>>> disproportionately if necessary, into visible prominence in order to
>>>> change societal biases ...and even though every disproportionate such
>>>> instance will, taken in isolation, feel "unjust".
>>>>
>>> And when will there be enough black musicians in orchestras?
>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, a pro basketball team is governed by money, not ideals.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Don't you think a pro basketball team would make MORE money if it
>>>>> had more white players? A considerable portion of their fans and
>>>>> viewers must be white and I would imagine more white players would
>>>>> be appreciated by white fans and viewers who would like to see
>>>>> themselves represented. If my reasoning is correct, the team owners
>>>>> are walking away from extra income by not having more white players
>>>>> - and more Asians as well, who might also be basketball fans.
>>>>
>>>> Uh, no, not since Jackie Robinson.  Today, teams make money by
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