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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: Oxford Music Professors: Sheet Music is White Supremacy
Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 15:02:54 -0400
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On 5/20/2024 2:28 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v2foco$1mk4$1@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/19/2024 7:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> On 5/19/2024 4:28 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:22:51 -0400
>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 8:08 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 19:15:05 -0400
>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 4:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <v2b0i8$2u4t7$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 1:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <v2akce$2roir$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2024 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2024 at 6:43:52 PM PDT, "Rhino"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <no_offline_contact@example.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:42:52 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2024 13:09:59 -0700, BTR1701
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and because the current system isn't a dream for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight-readers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that means it's a racist form of white supremacy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Because only white people can sight read perfectly or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rolls eyes>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure there were and are a few black
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> musicians who have managed the feat and somehow a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the concert pianists these days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are of Asian origin...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't expect that to continue if I were you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, Asian musicians expressed concerns that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they weren't getting performance gigs as white musicians and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attributed this to race. To address that, all or most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> auditions for orchestras started being done behind screens so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the judges could only hear the performance but not see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the performer. But apparently Asians are now seen as white or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> white allies and a certain group of people who I'll call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People of Darker Colour (PODC) are demanding that they simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be given positions on orchestras without auditioning because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have been discriminated against in the past. I assume
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're proposing some kind of quota system but I'm not sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what percentage of the slots they're demanding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, I don't know if this proposal is finding any support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among the people who decide these things but, given the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things are going in general, I would be surprised if this was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT done. Competence is going out of the window to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced by hiring on the basis of skin colour.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the usual suspects will be along momentarily to deny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of this and/or defend it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, during the height of the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl riots,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where literally everything in America was discovered to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> racist, there was an article in the New York Times that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asserted that the blind audition system used by most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> professional orchestras and ensembles was racist because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *prevents* racial bias in the hiring process.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 'problem' is that when musicians play behind a screen and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the judges have no idea who the person is, what race they are,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what gender they are, etc., it takes away the judge's ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to racially discriminate. This used to be considered a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing, but in today's woke world, the inability to racially
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discriminate (i.e., give preference to blacks over whites) is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a major problem that needs fixing. Blind auditions tend to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> result in orchestras being problematically white and Asian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When pure talent and ability are the only factors available
>>>>>>>>>>>>> upon which to base a decision, the resulting orchestras
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't 'diverse' enough for the intelligentsia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So now, rather than blind auditions, the wokesters want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove that screen so the judges see the players, can actively
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discriminate against whites and Asians, and make hiring
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisions based on race and gender, rather than ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> play the music.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who thinks a level playing field and the elimination of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> racial discrimination is the goal of the modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'progressive'... well, I have a few bridges to sell them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And with all the hand-wringing over how they needed to get rid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of blind auditions so that they can 'fix' the problem of too
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many white classical musicians, there strangely was no plan to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'fix' the problem of too many black basketball players (or any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognition that it even is a problem in the first place).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder why that is?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In so many words, you're complaining about 'affirmative action'
>>>>>>>>>>>> as though it were a moral absurdity. Does that sum up your
>>>>>>>>>>>> view?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm complaining about making an orchestra less than world class
>>>>>>>>>>> so that you can pat yourself on the back for sticking it to
>>>>>>>>>>> whitey.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Giving someone a seat on stage for any other reason than
>>>>>>>>>>> that they can do the job is morally abhorrent. I'm not surprised
>>>>>>>>>>> you cheerlead for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course Asians are historically oppressed minorities, too, and
>>>>>>>>>>> they somehow manage to not only make it into these ensembles on
>>>>>>>>>>> sheer talent and merit alone, but dominate them. Weird how
>>>>>>>>>>> that's not seen as a 'diversity' success but a problem that
>>>>>>>>>>> needs 'fixing'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But the issue in question is 'affirmative action', i.e.:
>>>>>>>>>> procedural bias meant to hasten the homogenization of an
>>>>>>>>>> artificially bifurcate society.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But in the case of these orchestras, there's nothing artificial
>>>>>>>>> about it. The auditions are blind and the chips fall where they
>>>>>>>>> may with regard to race, gender, and all the other grievance
>>>>>>>>> groups.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A mostly white or Asian orchestra is no more of an artificial
>>>>>>>>> occurrence than is a mostly black basketball team. In both cases,
>>>>>>>>> the best people for the job are the ones who are hired.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again, why is a mostly black basketball team perfectly fine, but a
>>>>>>>>> mostly Asian orchestra 'problematic'?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Both are historically oppressed minorities and both organizations
>>>>>>>>> are what they are because they hired the best people for the job.
>>>>>>>>> Why is one a 'diversity success' and the other a problem that
>>>>>>>>> needs to be fixed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any general policy is subject to second-guessing in any given
>>>>>>>> instance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which says absolutely nothing as is typical for you when you fail to
>>>>>>> defend the indefensible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me help you out:  The 'general policy' is to promote blacks,
>>>>>> disproportionately if necessary, into visible prominence in order to
>>>>>> change societal biases ...and even though every disproportionate such
>>>>>> instance will, taken in isolation, feel "unjust".
>>>>>>
>>>>> And when will there be enough black musicians in orchestras?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, a pro basketball team is governed by money, not ideals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't you think a pro basketball team would make MORE money if it
>>>>>>> had more white players? A considerable portion of their fans and
>>>>>>> viewers must be white and I would imagine more white players would
>>>>>>> be appreciated by white fans and viewers who would like to see
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