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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: [OT] German politician successfully prosecuted for telling the
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 15:46:34 -0400
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On 5/24/2024 2:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v2qa76$2ce49$2@dont-email.me>,
>   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/23/2024 11:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On May 23, 2024 at 7:29:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/23/2024 6:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <v2obln$1ubc9$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>    
>>>>>> On 5/23/2024 4:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <v2o7bi$1tkcc$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/23/2024 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <v2ns6e$1rgqc$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2024 12:57 PM, Rhino wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, Leo Kearse hits it out of the park:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5uW1Htq7XU [10 minutes]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I listened to enough to hear the claim that truth is a defense
>>>>>>>>>> against a charge of "incitement to hatred" ...which, obviously,
>>>>>>>>>> it isn't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I said, the truth is now illegal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But neither should citing the government's own crime statistics in
>>>>>>>>> a discussion about public policy be considered "incitement to hatred"
>>>>>>>>> merely because it undermines the government's immigration agenda.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I said, an "incitement to hatred" needn't carry any lie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And expanding on what I said, if you make truth illegal because
>>>>>>> you've created circumstances that allow you to claim it leads to some
>>>>>>> nebulous concept of 'hatred', then you've successfully muzzled all
>>>>>>> political opposition and have created a dictatorial society where
>>>>>>> anyone who speaks against you is criminalized.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And this all comes from the people who are constantly bleating about
>>>>>>> the need to "protect muh democracy!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are enough laws, rules, regulations, and statutes in the world
>>>>>> to allow anyone to be prosecuted for (or exonerated of) anything. The
>>>>>> ultimate trial arena is always in the mind of the ultimate presiding
>>>>>> judge. So, if you mean to defend against this "incitement of hatred"
>>>>>> charge, you'll have to argue either that the very concept is
>>>>>> unconstitutional
>>>>>    
>>>>> Well, we're talking about Germany here not America, so 'unconstitutional'
>>>>> isn't on the table, but yes, if this kind of law were to be passed here,
>>>>> it would absolutely without question be unconstitutional.
>>>>>    
>>>>>> or that there's no valid reason it applies here.
>>>>>    
>>>>> There's no valid reason it should apply anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> Yet "incitement to hate" is a thing you recognize and deplore.  (Isn't
>>>> it?) How is its subjectivity different from that of pornography?
>>>
>>> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1781169843351298050/vid/avc1/356x270/l
>>> HOICO1gYm5AAqF8.mp4?tag=14
>>>
>>> Incitement to hate? Should they all be arrested?
>>
>> I don't understand what I'm seeing/hearing there.
> 
> A large crowd in front of Trump Tower chanting "New York hates you!"

If there's a law against expression of hate for an individual, sure?