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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?A_simulating_halt_decider_applied_to_the_The_Peter_Linz_T?= =?UTF-8?B?dXJpbmcgTWFjaGluZSBkZXNjcmlwdGlvbiDin6jEpOKfqQ==?= Date: Sun, 26 May 2024 17:47:16 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: <v30e5l$3lerc$1@dont-email.me> References: <v2nsvh$1rd65$2@dont-email.me> <v2tfms$30u1r$3@dont-email.me> <v2tgv2$22aq0$2@i2pn2.org> <v2th6a$319s1$1@dont-email.me> <v2tjpr$22aq1$9@i2pn2.org> <v2tk9i$31qgp$1@dont-email.me> <v2tkit$22aq0$6@i2pn2.org> <v2tl8b$31uo4$2@dont-email.me> <v2tm5d$22aq0$7@i2pn2.org> <v2tnr1$32e7p$1@dont-email.me> <v2tp5n$22aq0$9@i2pn2.org> <v2tpdg$32me8$2@dont-email.me> <v2tptp$22aq1$13@i2pn2.org> <v2tq50$32r0d$2@dont-email.me> <v2tqh7$22aq1$15@i2pn2.org> <v2tr68$32uto$1@dont-email.me> <v2trch$23vgp$1@i2pn2.org> <v2trts$331vq$1@dont-email.me> <v2tsub$23vgp$2@i2pn2.org> <v2u0o5$33mgp$1@dont-email.me> <v2u2uf$23vgp$4@i2pn2.org> <v2u5a0$349br$2@dont-email.me> <v2u6if$23vgo$3@i2pn2.org> <v2u7fj$38fjo$1@dont-email.me> <v2v79q$25ell$2@i2pn2.org> <v2vg1g$3e8pb$4@dont-email.me> <v2vo5h$26570$3@i2pn2.org> <v2vpt6$3g0m3$3@dont-email.me> <v2vqou$26570$5@i2pn2.org> <v2vrcl$3gakv$1@dont-email.me> <v2vslp$26570$6@i2pn2.org> <v301m6$3hcgb$1@dont-email.me> <v305j9$26571$1@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 00:47:18 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="458305845cd025bf1a433877c96321fe"; logging-data="3849068"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+OUlMNCMa8t7vSNHUOcsUR" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:L4Ggwy1CMp2LyL9N3JrXpeNaEhM= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v305j9$26571$1@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3858 On 5/26/2024 3:20 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 5/26/24 3:14 PM, olcott wrote: >> When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ >> Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qy ∞ >> Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn >> >> When we see that ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ correctly simulated by embedded_H in an >> infinite number of steps cannot possibly reach its own simulated >> final state of ⟨Ĥ.qn⟩ and halt then we correctly deduce that the >> same thing applies when simulating halt decider embedded_H correctly >> simulates less than an infinite number of steps of ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩. >> > > Nope. > > Since we are talking about Turing Machines, your stipulated POOP > definitions go away, https://www.liarparadox.org/Linz_Proof.pdf *Simplified the notation for Ĥ on the top of page three* and put back in the qy state shown in figure 12.2 When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qy ∞ Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn Ĥ copies its own Turing machine description: ⟨Ĥ⟩ then invokes embedded_H that simulates ⟨Ĥ⟩ with ⟨Ĥ⟩ as input. It is an easily verified fact that ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ correctly simulated by embedded_H cannot possibly reach its own simulated final state of ⟨Ĥ.qn⟩ in any finite sequence of steps. *If you want to lie about this or fail to understand this* *irrefutable truth that only makes yourself look foolish* Any academicians reading this post will further conclude that your insults and ad hominem attacks are quite pathetic. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer