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From: Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl>
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Subject: Rambam/Maimonides, traitor to the Torah, deceiver of Israel.
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 18:03:09 -0000 (UTC)
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title: Maimonides: The Revered & Controversial Sephardic Rabbi | The Jewish Story | Unpacked 
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QDLe_PK7to
source: Unpacked

Someone (first comment) wrote:
@LawofMoses
2 years ago

  You wouldn't understand it unless you walk with God.  Rambam seems to
  have replaced God in the orthodox eyes?

End quote. Reply ...

Rambam/Maimonides is guilty over issuing the _heter iska,_ which is
arguably not as bad as the traitor Hillel the Elder has done with
his _prosbul,_ but of a similar vein and similar destruction of the
Torah. There are no Orthodox Jews in the world. They are _all_ reformers,
who thought they knew better. If only they at least understood as much as
the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, perhaps they would have done some good. But
sadly, they do not. I don't need to explain why the prosbul or heter iska
are bad. Read them, read the Torah, and it is self explanatory. Rambam
is Jewish corruption. They replaced God as the lawmaker, with lawmakers
of their own choosing, who serve the rich and greedy, not justice and
peace. The result is their never ending exile. I think the exile will not
end, until Hillel and Rambam fall, although even that will probably not
be enough (the Jubilee on land, or something other of similar severity,
needs to be enacted and dutifully followed).

It is interesting that on his tomb stone, they make this Rambam close to
equal to Moshe Rabbeinu, and they also devalue everyone who came after
Moshe Rabbeinu, which includes all the prophets and true loyalists like
King David who wrote the Psalms (in which it is said, the righteous do
not take interest, iirc). Rambam wasn't even an authenticated prophet,
and his innovation over the Torah is fraud (which also means, he can
not even become a prophet, under the law of prophets, FWIK). Why do they
put this man over all these good people ? Because they serve the rich and
greedy, who want to scheme around to increase their money at all cost, and
Rambam helps them do it, as did Hillel the Elder, the traitor. The world
is lost. The consequences will become extreme. Per curses section in the
Torah, the next round will be 7 times worse. The last punishment was the
Nazis. Time is up also, the humans have gone insane with their nukes and
war lust, their shallowness and their inability to create stability. GAME
OVER. How awful, a world of fools with nukes. It cannot be, and it will
not be for long. It is extremely unstable and self destructive.

P.S. [Usenet]

Briefly about why these treasons are bad...

The prosbul is so reprehensible, I rather not think about it today,
thanks. If you don't see it, you are joking.

Heter iska, it is a deceptive method of putting your money into a
business, have others work the work, and then you gain riches in return.
It is supposedly limited in how much you can get, and this supposedly
makes it right, but it doesn't hold up to the Torah standard (Tanach)
which says interest on loans is *forbidden*.

If you have money with which you can play because you can lend it out,
you could have given it in charity, or in easily nullified loans to the
poor, thus strengthening the bonds between the people, and also
degrading your own excessive wealth, because you may have become greedy
and obsessed with wealth over morality. You put the money away in a
loan, thus diverting it from its purposes (under the Torah system, which
is helping people and of course also helping yourself, but not to become
an exploiter of other people).

If there had been no standard and all interest on loans was allowed,
then you could argue that the heter iska system is a slight improvement,
since it limits the profit. However this was not the situation. The
starting point is the Torah: no interest at all allowed, between Jewish
people. It degrades this standard, and thus it is treason.

There are also dangerous mechanisms at play, when you invest in a
business for profit. I never saw anyone write about it, but this is my
thinking: the investor wants to suck out money, without working in that
business. The more the workers are exploited, abused, not given their
wages, and the more the costumers are scammed out of their money, the
more money the business owner gains, and the more he can share with his
parasite: the financier in the back. There is hence a financial self
serving interest, to invest in abusive companies. You think this is
fantasy ? Because you didn't spend 10 seconds on the problem ?

Where does your investment of say 10 000 pieces of gold likely make the
best profit, assuming both business types are possible.
1. A nice business, who treats everyone fairly and gives the workers
   their share of good income. Being nice, the owner is thus fairly
   humble, and doesn't go home with huge amounts of profit for himself,
   while the workers have little.
2. Some sort of wicked individual, willing to exploit the workers to the
   maximum. Every day another trick to not pay them, underpay them, and
   get rid of people who got sick without paying for them. This owner,
   if he does his scams and evil well, gets away with a lot of loot from
   his own company.

You could argue: the nice business owner will also nicely share with the
financier, while the greedy business owner will also try to scam the
financier. While this seems to be a true argument, I don't think it
generally works out this way. The financier, especially if investing a
lot of money, is the boss behind the boss. Things are a bit merky and
individuals may deviate from the norm at times, however if you look at
return on investment, then a business which can repress its workforce
succesfully the most, is likely the business which is the strongest and
most profitable to invest in. The loss of the workers, is the gains of
the owners and the financiers. We have seen a lot of suffering in the
world in history, thanks to underpaid labor. It might even be the single
most important cause of human suffering on Earth (poverty caused by the
ownership class). Financiers can get extremely rich on the other hand,
which we also see all the time happening in history. The rise of the
poor and the rise of the Plutocracy, and all kinds of investment
schemes. I think it is not an accident. The investments are profitable
where labor gets squeezed, and labor in turn can be squeezed where
landlessness is the norm, and thus this financier caste also has an
interest in denying people their right to land. With land, labor would
have options, they would be free to choose, even begin their own trades.
Without land, they can be subjected, there is nowhere else to go. This
is yet another nefarious problem, arising from rent seeking on loans.

The financier thinks like so ... (or those that do might become the most
powerful among them) ... "We need to loot the pockets of the people
working for the businesses we invest in, but if we go too far they just
retreat to their own land and start on their own. This escape rout costs
us a lot, while on the other hand we should own all that land for
ourselves, and farm other people like they are our cattle. We are the
bosses, and they are the slaves, that is how it should be. They are
our cattle, we are their gods. We need to get their land away from
them, and then push them into despair, while we give them a pittance at
some kind of job, which they will accept because the alternative is to
become roaming bandits - whom we will hunt and kill - or just die from
hunger and misery - which is fine with us."

It is certainly possible that an investment has a good effect in an
individual case, and even many individual cases can so be named. The
question however is: what does it do over the whole of society, and over
long stretches of time, such as centuries, thousands of years. Apples
fall down from trees usually, and even if you throw up a few to proof
the opposite, it isn't in the main what happens. Things generally fall
down to the low point on Earth (since they are heavier than air, and
that is just how it works).

The heter iska is less easy to see why it is bad, but the prosbul is
blisteringly obvious. Everyone knows it is a fraud, yet they go on with
it, which makes it an open rebellion. The Rabbis are in open rebellion
against the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, causing the exile, and seemingly
not even caring about it. I guess they got paid by someone, or are too
cowardly to go against the majority and their peers.

If you are a good person, you want to help others. You can make an
investment into a business, and do it without interest, without profit
games (without heter iska). Then you have the benefit of the investment,
the business can start up quicker etc, and avoid the downsides of a
mechanism of parasitic money making. You then only have chances of
loosing money as an investor, and that is not appealing for the greed
motive, and thus those obsessed with money and greed will simply avoid
investment entirely. Their money is bigger when they do not invest under
rules of no interest on loans. They might hide the money, or buy things
for themselves from it even if they need nothing, etc. At least they
won't invest it in abusive companies.

I think we see in the world, that there can be successes of moral
businesses, but on the whole it is the evil ones who in the end seem to
centralize more and more companies and land under their power. The Torah
has laws against it, and this may be for good reason, even if we don't
entirely understand it. Even if we don't understand, under the rules of
the Torah, it is still law anyway.

This makes Rambam a traitor with his heter iska, and also Hillel the
Elder is a traitor with his prosbul. Hillel the Elder has overthrown
HKB'H as the law maker, and the Rabbis have never wanted to correct
this. Hence the exile has to go on, until the Rabbis clean up their own
behavior, or are themselves overthrown (as Isaiah seems perhaps to say
will happen, when the teachers will be cut away and may no longer teach
Israel).

It may seem like details, or a boring and speculative topic, but entire
civilizations get born and die because of these effects. These are not
side issues, especially not land ownership. We see today how the world
drowns in crazy debt schemes (National debt pyramid scam, paying debt
with debt), which will likely cause a currency destabilization because
the insane politicians and their evil ruling class decided to start
printing money to pay the impossible debt, which should normally lead to
hyper inflation. Hyper inflation itself is a severe shock to everyone,
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