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From: Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com>
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Subject: Re: Do you condemn Hamas?
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2024 21:36:52 -0000 (UTC)
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On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 23:59:33 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

> On 6/8/24 21:55, john larkin wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:30:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
>>>> <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because
>>>>>>>>>>> they are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed
>>>>>>>>>>> martyrs. So for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor
>>>>>>>>>> hell.
>>>>>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
>>>>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to
>>>>>>>>> do this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life
>>>>>>>>> past this one,
>>>>>>>>> and that you are immortal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no
>>>>>>>> afterlife, just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My
>>>>>>>> existence is the result of an uninterrupted sequence of
>>>>>>>> incredibly improbable events, going back billions of years into
>>>>>>>> the past, and I will cease to exist,
>>>>>>>> never to come back,
>>>>>>>> when some essential part of my body fails.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid
>>>>>>>> of being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just
>>>>>>>> another of those weird religious ideas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an
>>>>>>> after-life. And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy.
>>>>>>> I actually find the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be
>>>>>>> like you in outlook!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife,
>>>>>> and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for
>>>>> expansion on this forum!
>>>>
>>>> Designing electronics has obviously suggestions of quantum
>>>> consciousness, and even Einstein thought that QM was spooky.
>>>>
>>>> Don't give up on miracles quite yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You have referred to quantum effects in the brain many times. In as
>>> far as the brain is a chemical machine, and that chemistry is
>>> basically a manifestation of quantum mechanics, I agree. In practice,
>>> QM is just a level too deep in the abstraction stack. Somehow I
>>> believe that that is not how you see it. Would you elaborate?
>>>
>>>
>> DNA and RNA and other things aren't flat linear molecules as the
>> cartoons suggest. They are twisted and tangled into writhing balls. So
>> any sequence gets continuously and randomly rubbed against the rest of
>> the string. That's a quantum cross-correlation machine.
> 
> Hmm. I see DNA as a template for making molecular machines, enzymes and
> such, that do useful things for living organisms. Useful things such as
> transforming nutrients into suitable energy-carrying chemicals or
> building blocks for cell components.
> Pumps to move stuff into or out of cell compartments, and many other
> functions needed to make a living cell thrive.
> 
> DNA doesn't do much by itself. It's the molecular machines that do the
> work.
> 
> 
>>> Much of technology, electronics in particular, is a miracle,
>>> though not in the mystical or religious sense.
>> 
>> I like the Barrie Gilbert essay, "Where do little circuits come from?"
>> 
>> They are all out there in the infinite solution space, and it's hard to
>> explore an infinite space serially.
> 
> Hmm. When I design a circuit, I don't randomly jump through solution
> space. I start with something simple, then identify limitations and add
> or change things to address them. I may add bootstraps or cascodes to
> reduce the effect of parasitic capacitance. Add buffers to reduce load
> or output impedance effects. Add symmetry to tackle thermal or offset
> issues.
> Change or add components to tweak phase/frequency responses. Move
> components around to reduce parasitics, or to profit from some
> fortuitous beneficial one. And so on.
> 
> Basically I'll choose some promising starting point and then try to move
> forward through the solution space, exploring interesting branches on
> the way. Rarely I'll throw everything out and start over.
> 
> It's still a serial process. I can't see much of the space at once.
> Maybe you can. So much the better for you.
> 
> Jeroen Belleman

Jeroen, this may be of interest to you....

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