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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V3
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On 6/15/2024 6:57 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/15/24 7:40 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/15/2024 6:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/15/24 2:55 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/15/2024 1:08 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 6/15/24 1:39 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 12:17 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 12:57 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/24 11:32 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is contingent upon you to show the exact steps of how H 
>>>>>>>>>> computes
>>>>>>>>>> the mapping from the x86 machine language finite string input to
>>>>>>>>>> H(D,D) using the finite string transformation rules specified by
>>>>>>>>>> the semantics of the x86 programming language that reaches the
>>>>>>>>>> behavior of the directly executed D(D)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why? I don't claim it can.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I ask you to provide the mapping from the input
>>>>>>>> to H(D,D) to each step of the behavior of D(D) and
>>>>>>>> and you refuse then within Socratic questioning you
>>>>>>>> have proved to not be interested in an honest dialog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, by asking a Red Herring question, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *In other words you DO NOT WANT AN HONEST DIALOGUE*
>>>>>
>>>>> No, YOU do not what honest dialogs, as you ask me to try to prove 
>>>>> something I don't claim to be do able, and I say why?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In other words you flat out do not understand that H is not
>>>> being asked about the behavior of D(D).
>>>
>>> Then you don't understand that you just flat out admitted that your H 
>>> isn't a Halt Decider, and thus you have proven anything about the 
>>> Halting Problem.
>>>
>>
>> You are either too stubborn or too ignorant to understand that
>> deciders report on what their input specifies and thus not what
>> you think that this input should mean.
>>
> 
> And, if the decider is a "Halt Decider" then the meaning of there inputs 
> is a reperesentation of a machine whose behavior the decider is supposed 
> to decide on. PERIOD.
> 

Dogma counts for less than nothing. Bots can parrot textbooks.
You must show the reasoning the enables H to see the behavior of D(D).


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