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Subject: Re: Apple has the worst operating system full hotfix support in the
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 11:42:23 -0700
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On 2024-06-18 07:42, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 6/6/2024 10:13 PM, Andrew wrote:
>> badgolferman wrote on Fri, 7 Jun 2024 00:58:03 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>>> Apple has the worst (by far) bugfix support in the entire industry.
>>>>
>>>>   *Apple promises at least 5 years of iPhone security updates, but 
>>>> Samsung and Google offer longer support for Android updates*
>>>>   
>>>> <https://www.idownloadblog.com/2024/06/06/apple-iphone-updates-support-timeframe-united-kingdom/>
>>>>
>>>> Nobody on the adult phone newsgroups will be shocked, but since the
>>>> child-like phone newsgroups never believe facts, lots of references are
>>>> included below because they always say they hate any given authors.
>>>>
>>>> Also note that Google updates over two dozen core modules every 
>>>> month for
>>>> the billions of Android 10+ phones that are on the Internet - which 
>>>> has no
>>>> end of life stated - so we can assume (for now) that will happen 
>>>> forever.
>>>>    "Google System updates are fully automated. Originally referred to
>>>>     as Project Mainline, these monthly updates fix bugs discovered in
>>>>     various core OS components like device connectivity, location 
>>>> services,
>>>>     media services, Emergency alerts, and others."
>>>>     
>>>> <https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, Apple has never fully supported more than a single release.
>>>>   
>>>> <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
>>>>
>>>> Apple's iOS monolith didn't even have the concept of a "hotfix" 
>>>> until recently.
>>>>   <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>
>>>>
>>>> Which is partly why Apple iPhones are the most exploited in history.
>>>>   <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
>>>>
>>>> The other reason Apple devices have twice the zero day holes is Apple's
>>>> hotfix support is actually the worst (by far) in the entire industry.
>>>>   <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
>>>>   
>>>> <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
>>>>   
>>>> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
>>>>
>>>> And, more to the point of the news reported today, Apple will only 
>>>> commit
>>>> to "at least" five years of full support for any of their iPhone 
>>>> models.
>>>>   *Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
>>>>          *and it's less than Samsung and Google*
>>>>   
>>>> <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
>>>>
>>>> And, get this: Apple only did so because the UK forced them to do it!
>>>>   *Apple Commits to at Least Five Years of iPhone Security Updates*
>>>>   "Apple has revealed its commitment to a minimum of five years of
>>>>    iPhone security software updates from the date a device is
>>>>    launched, thanks to a new legal requirement in the United Kingdom"
>>>>   
>>>> <https://www.macrumors.com/2024/06/06/apple-iphone-security-updates-five-year-minimum/>
>>>>
>>>> Further references below because the Apple religious zealots always
>>>> say they don't like any particular author of every fact they hate.
>>>>   *Apple will provide a minimum of five years of iPhone security 
>>>> updates*
>>>>   
>>>> <https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/6/24172843/apple-iphone-minimum-five-years-security-updates>
>>>>
>>>>   *Apple Reveals Its iPhone Gets at Least 5 Years of Security Updates*
>>>>   
>>>> <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/apple-reveals-its-iphone-gets-at-least-five-years-of-security-updates/>
>>>>
>>>>   *Apple commits to 5 years of security updates for the iPhone, but 
>>>> that's not the whole story*
>>>>   <https://mashable.com/article/apple-iphone-security-updates-5-years>
>>>>
>>>>   *Apple says your new iPhone will get at least five years of 
>>>> security updates*
>>>>   
>>>> <https://www.imore.com/iphone/apple-says-your-new-iphone-will-get-at-least-five-years-of-security-updates-but-history-suggests-itll-be-significantly-longer>
>>>>
>>>>   *Apple commits to minimum of five years of iPhone security 
>>>> software updates from the date a device is launched
>>>>   
>>>> <https://appleworld.today/apple-commits-to-minimum-of-five-years-of-iphone-security-software-updates-from-the-date-a-device-is-launched/>
>>>>
>>>> While the Apple religious zealots will hope to dear God that Apple
>>>> will fully support their devices longer than that, Apple still only
>>>> fully supports a single release - such that here's are reasons iPhones
>>>> always have more zero day holes and there are reasons why the iPhone
>>>> is (and always was!) the most actively exploited phone in history.
>>>>   *End of Life? End of Support? End of Security Updates?*
>>>>   <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8415153>
>>>>
>>>> Apple never advertises it has the worst hotfix support in the industry.
>>>
>>>
>>> In your opinion what is a reasonable amount of time for a 
>>> manufacturer to
>>> support a device's hardware and software? When should they divert those
>>> resources of money, time, engineers, research to newer devices? 5, 7, 
>>> 10,
>>> 20 years?
>>
>> How long has Microsoft supported PCs which are currently on Win 10/11?
>>
>> It's clear that Apple has the worst hotfix support in the industry while
>> Microsoft has the best - where we're talking full & complete bugfixes.
>>
>> For every single bug that the companies are aware of for all the devices.
>> Apple promises (at least) five years only (and only one release at a 
>> time).
>> Samsung/Google promise (at least) seven years (and seven releases at a
>> time).
>>
>> But check out Microsoft support for the best in the entire industry!
>> Microsoft supported many hardware configurations for almost two decades.
>>
>> Windows 10 shipped July 29, 2015 and it allowed for a free upgrade to
>> Windows 11 for all PC hardware that met H/W requirements, so that's
>> currently about 9 years plus another 10 years or so for Windows 11.
>>
>> Even if your PC H/W couldn't handle Windows 11, Windows 10 was a free
>> upgrade from Windows 7 and 8.1 users where Windows 7 released on July 22,
>> 2009 and became generally available on October 22, 2009 while Windows 8.1
>> was released to OEM hardware partners on August 27, 2013, and released
>> publicly as a free upgrade through Windows Store on October 17, 2013.
>>
>> With Windows 10 slated to end it's monthly hotfix support on October 14,
>> 2025, older PCs (that might not run Windows 11) had enjoyed more than 15
>> years of full support for all bugs that Microsoft was aware of.
>>
>> It's harder to say how long more capable hardware that can be upgraded to
>> Windows 11 will be but fifteen or maybe even twenty years seems like a
>> reasonable time period given the history of Microsoft's full support.
>>
>> Mind you, this is full hotfix support for all bugs Microsoft is aware of.
>> And full hotfix support for all bugs Apple, Google & Samsung are aware 
>> of.
> 
> Are you aware than as of next year Windows 10, the majority of Windows 
> currently out there, will, according to Microsoft, no longer receive 
> free security updates?

Arlen is aware of even less than you are, Liarboy.