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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:04:45 -0400
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On 6/19/2024 3:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v4v8jq$23o16$1@dont-email.me>,
>   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/18/2024 10:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <v4tfnl$1ons5$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/18/2024 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <v4t1nu$1ig6v$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>     moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 5:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <v4s1kl$1c3jr$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 8:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com>,
>>>>>>>>>       trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 11:46 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 4:20 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/14/24 5:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Federal Firearms Act of 1934
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   From wiki:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The current National Firearms Act (NFA) defines a number of
>>>>>>>>>>>> categories of regulated firearms. These weapons are collectively
>>>>>>>>>>>> known as NFA firearms and include the following:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Machine guns:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be
>>>>>>>>>>>> readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot,
>>>>>>>>>>>> without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such
>>>>>>>>>>>> weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively,
>>>>>>>>>>>> or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in
>>>>>>>>>>>> converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of
>>>>>>>>>>>> parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the possession or under the control of a person."[10]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, bump-stocks are patently a "workaround" for a law whose
>>>>>>>>>>> intent is patently obvious. Not exactly a triumph of sanity.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "A work around" is accurate. And the spirit of the law is far more
>>>>>>>>>> important, obviously, than the letter of the law
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, cool! I see Hutt the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us again!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, Hutt, you're unsurprisingly about as absolutely wrong as you
>>>>>>>>> can be yet again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The letter of the law is obviously paramount in the context of
>>>>>>>>> jurisprudential determination as evidenced by the 1000-page statutes
>>>>>>>>> we have coming out of Congress, millions of pages of administrative
>>>>>>>>> regulations, and the multi-page click-thrus of tiny and near-
>>>>>>>>> hieroglyphic legalese that you have to agree to just to use a
>>>>>>>>> piece of software.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If all we needed to concern ourselves with was a law's "spirit",
>>>>>>>>> then none of that would be necessary.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd elaborate further but I don't have the time or the crayons to
>>>>>>>>> explain it to you. Jeezus, Hutt, if I wanted to kill myself, I'd
>>>>>>>>> climb your ego and jump to your IQ.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And how does using a bump stock differ from a fully automatic machine
>>>>>>>> gun?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With a bump stock, for every round fired, a separate trigger pull
>>>>>>> occurs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With a machine gun, one one trigger pull is required to fire multiple
>>>>>>> rounds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, the rate of fire of a bump stock-equipped rifle is significantly
>>>>>>> slower than a rifle firing on full-auto.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, this 15-sec. video is a lie?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brrecvXhRVc
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what you're talking about. You can clearly see the bump
>>>>> device using the recoil (and Newton's Third Law) to reset the trigger
>>>>> after every round.
>>>>
>>>> What I'm seeing is a NOT "significantly slower" rate of fire.
>>>
>>> The bump device I used produce a fast rate of fire but not as fast as
>>> full-auto rifle. Perhaps this is a different model that works more
>>> efficiently.
>>>
>>> Regardless, the law passed by Congress did not differentiate "machine
>>> gun" from other guns by how fast it shoots, so the rate of fire is
>>> actually irrelevant to the issue.
>>
>> Yes, we've already established that a determined judiciary can do an
>> end-run around even the clearest legislative intent.
> 
> They didn't end-run anything. They only reiterated-- since our
> government seems to have lost its way and needs a reminder-- that
> Congress is the only body granted the authority by the Constitution to
> legislate in this country, not administrative agencies like BATF, and if
> Congress wants to change the definition of "machine gun" to incorporate
> bump stocks into it, it can do so at any time. However, BATF has no
> authority to do it for them.

Machine gun:

    "...any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily
restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual
reloading, by a single function of the trigger."

Now, tell me again how either gun in my video doesn't qualify...