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From: FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2024 22:16:47 -0400
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On 6/20/24 10:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v52k9c$2qnl3$12@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/19/24 3:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <v4v8jq$23o16$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/18/2024 10:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <v4tfnl$1ons5$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>     moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <v4t1nu$1ig6v$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>      moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 5:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <v4s1kl$1c3jr$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 8:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>        trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 11:46 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 4:20 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/14/24 5:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Federal Firearms Act of 1934
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    From wiki:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current National Firearms Act (NFA) defines a number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories of regulated firearms. These weapons are collectively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known as NFA firearms and include the following:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Machine guns:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the possession or under the control of a person."[10]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, bump-stocks are patently a "workaround" for a law whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent is patently obvious. Not exactly a triumph of sanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "A work around" is accurate. And the spirit of the law is far more
>>>>>>>>>>>> important, obviously, than the letter of the law
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, cool! I see Hutt the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us again!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, Hutt, you're unsurprisingly about as absolutely wrong as you
>>>>>>>>>>> can be yet again.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The letter of the law is obviously paramount in the context of
>>>>>>>>>>> jurisprudential determination as evidenced by the 1000-page statutes
>>>>>>>>>>> we have coming out of Congress, millions of pages of administrative
>>>>>>>>>>> regulations, and the multi-page click-thrus of tiny and near-
>>>>>>>>>>> hieroglyphic legalese that you have to agree to just to use a
>>>>>>>>>>> piece of software.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If all we needed to concern ourselves with was a law's "spirit",
>>>>>>>>>>> then none of that would be necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd elaborate further but I don't have the time or the crayons to
>>>>>>>>>>> explain it to you. Jeezus, Hutt, if I wanted to kill myself, I'd
>>>>>>>>>>> climb your ego and jump to your IQ.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And how does using a bump stock differ from a fully automatic machine
>>>>>>>>>> gun?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With a bump stock, for every round fired, a separate trigger pull
>>>>>>>>> occurs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With a machine gun, one one trigger pull is required to fire multiple
>>>>>>>>> rounds.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, the rate of fire of a bump stock-equipped rifle is significantly
>>>>>>>>> slower than a rifle firing on full-auto.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, this 15-sec. video is a lie?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brrecvXhRVc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what you're talking about. You can clearly see the bump
>>>>>>> device using the recoil (and Newton's Third Law) to reset the trigger
>>>>>>> after every round.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I'm seeing is a NOT "significantly slower" rate of fire.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bump device I used produce a fast rate of fire but not as fast as
>>>>> full-auto rifle. Perhaps this is a different model that works more
>>>>> efficiently.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless, the law passed by Congress did not differentiate "machine
>>>>> gun" from other guns by how fast it shoots, so the rate of fire is
>>>>> actually irrelevant to the issue.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, we've already established that a determined judiciary can do an
>>>> end-run around even the clearest legislative intent.
>>>
>>> They didn't end-run anything. They only reiterated-- since our
>>> government seems to have lost its way and needs a reminder-- that
>>> Congress is the only body granted the authority by the Constitution to
>>> legislate in this country, not administrative agencies like BATF, and if
>>> Congress wants to change the definition of "machine gun" to incorporate
>>> bump stocks into it, it can do so at any time. However, BATF has no
>>> authority to do it for them.
>>>
>> Congress did legislate. The intent of the law was pretty clear.
>> Honest people would admit that... so, of course, you klowns don't.
> 
> The intent is irrelevant. It's also not even discoverable. Congress is
> made up of 600+ different people, all of whom have different intents
> when voting for legislation. To say any given law has only one intent is
> nonsensical.)
> 
> What Congress actually wrote is what's determinative.
> 

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