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From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
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Subject: Re: OT: EV Charging Stations Stripped of Copper Cables
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 19:59:55 +0200
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On 7/10/24 19:48, john larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 17:18:23 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
> <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 06:52:49 -0700, john larkin wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 09:24:30 -0000 (UTC), RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9 Jul 2024 at 05:04:24 BST, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  From time to time I get to remind the qroup that I'm a democratic
>>>>> socialist - while Communists are autocratic socialists,
>>>>> and got slung out of the International Socialist movements in 1871,
>>>>> when Karl Marx's silly ideas about "the leading role" of the party
>>>>> were rejected.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Very kind of you! But a small point - the CP was, theoretically, a
>>>> socialist bridge to communism. Nobody - especially Marx - know what
>>>> communism would be in detail - simply that the process of revolutionary
>>>> socialism would put an end to capitalism for the right reasons.
>>>>
>>>>> Mikhail Bakunin's famous quote dates from that period
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/801264-if-you-took-the-most-ardent-
>> revolutionary-vested-him-in
>>>>
>>>> So history might suggest :-)
>>>
>>> In other words, power corrupts.
>>>
>>> Which means that governments are dynamically unstable, and a
>>> long-term-democratic society is a remarkable thing.
>>>
>>> Why end "capitalism"? Economic and intellectual plualism works.
>>
>> So does a mixed economy of both private enterprise and publicly-owned
>> bodies if the size of the state sector can be constrained. Unfortunately,
>> states have a tendency to grow themselves if not kept in strict check and
>> this is in large part responsible for the truly *vast* debt burden now
>> carried on the back of so many Western countries.
> 
> There's a race between government getting bigger and wasting ever more
> resources, and technology making us more productive to support all
> that waste.
> 
> I was just talking to a fellow old fogey (who is literally a Fellow)
> and we agree that young people are getting stupider, so the
> productivity increase probably can't  keep up.
> 
> Yes, the debt will have consequences too. It keeps increasing and can
> never be paid back. Economists keep getting stupider too.

Traditionally, the solution for that problem has always been
devaluation or rampant inflation, or both. Either way, it's
a form of gross theft.

Jeroen Belleman