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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Hypothetical possibilities Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2024 14:05:10 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 42 Message-ID: <v7led6$kacj$1@dont-email.me> References: <v7gl30$3j9fi$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2024 13:05:10 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a5545656b4aba94d80554c84a61525fe"; logging-data="666003"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+ebMTIa+RQZIMObiQjD4le" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:otwSXcy9vuvdZRuTGh9yF9qgsCk= Bytes: 2050 On 2024-07-20 15:28:31 +0000, olcott said: > void DDD() > { > HHH(DDD); > } > > int main() > { > DDD(); > } > > (a) Termination Analyzers / Partial Halt Deciders must halt > this is a design requirement. For a partial analyzer or deciders this is not always required. > (b) Every simulating termination analyzer HHH either > aborts the simulation of its input or not. This must be interpreted to mean that a simulating termination analyzer may abort its simulation for some simulated abort and simulate others to the termination. > (c) Within the hypothetical case where HHH does not abort > the simulation of its input {HHH, emulated DDD and executed DDD} > never stop running. The case is not very hypothetical. Given the HHH you already have, it is fairly easy to construct the "hypothetical" HHH and see what it actually does. > This violates the design requirement of (a) therefore HHH must > abort the simulation of its input. The violation simply means that the "hypothetical" HHH is not a termination analyzer of partial halt decider in sense (a). What it "must" be or do depends on the requirements. -- Mikko