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From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
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Subject: Re: yes!
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 15:21:55 +1000
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On 19/08/2024 3:26 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 15:33:38 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 18/08/2024 2:31 am, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 12:14:51 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "john larkin" <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in message news:dta1cj1f3pudq93ard2o2ve4dadero917e@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 06:26:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On a sunny day (Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:07:52 -0700) it happened john larkin
>>>>>> <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in <06jvbjp36khao0m5ot65a1o1krricoasre@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's just code.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not any more it isn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those giant computer networks don't run code?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your lack of understanding is a handicap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your lack of imagination ditto.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, there is a bit of your lack of understanding
>>>>>
>>>>> So you understand how brains work?
>>>>
>>>> Why is it necessary to understand how brains work?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know much about AlphaGo.
>>>> I doubt it can explain how it works.
>>>> But it obviously does work.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are images stored,
>>>>
>>>> Who cares?
>>>> Likely they are distributed throughout a brain in ways that it is not necessary for anyone or anything to understand.
>>>
>>> Ignorance is appealing.
>>
>> As you persistently remind us.
>>
>>> But electronic design - our topic here - benefits from both
>>> imagination and understanding.
>>
>> Not that you've got much of either.
>>
>>> I find it helpful, when designing things, to have a working model of
>>> how my brain works.
>>
>> It would be more helpful if you realised how badly your brain works.
>>
>>> What have you designed lately? Tell us about it.
>>
>> You first. You do seem to think that you design circuits, but you don't
>> tell us about them in the kind of way that suggests that you actually
>> designed them.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters/dp/1108499945

That's Horowitz and Hill's text-book, and while that may contain their 
discussion of the design of one of your circuits, it's not your 
discussion - more an after-the-fact rationalisation of what you ended up 
doing.

Creationist see intelligent design in the way living beings happen to 
work, but that's all after-the-fact rationalisation too.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney