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From: "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
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Subject: Re: About WiFi7
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 22:21:49 -0400
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"Don Y" <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in message news:vabe2v$142d4$2@dont-email.me...
> On 8/23/2024 5:39 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
>>>>>>> Would you, instead, like that to be conveyed to your ISP via your access point,
>>>>>>> over-the-air to your cell phone -- which you will have to access in order to
>>>>>>> "see" the scene?  All those third-parties on which you will rely?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does my ISP have to do with packets traveling between devices on my LAN??
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have a long cord connecting your LAN to the car as it approaches from
>>>>> down the street?
>>>>
>>>> Why would anyone need to see inside their garage as they approach from down the street??
>>>
>>> You don't -- unless the door doesn't want to open on your command.  Here,
>>> if that happened because SWMBO was digging through the freezer chest and
>>> the dogs were at her feet, I would TELL her to get the dogs in the house
>>> so I could pull in.
>>
>> How would you know in advance that the door wasn't going to open on your command?
>
> YOU DON'T!  The *door* (house) does!
>
>> How would you tell her? By phone? Isn't that inconvenient?
>
> *YOU* can't!  *I* can!  I have a button on the dash that connects me to
> the house via a "long range (1/2 mile) cordless phone".  So, I can talk
> TO THE HOUSE (not to her) and tell *it* that I am on the way home -- adjust
> the HVAC, lighting and entertainment, accordingly.  If I've been out
> shopping, maybe tell SWMBO (for me) that I am on my way and would appreciate
> some help unloading the car.  Open the garage door BEFORE I get to the house
> and have to wait for it to completely open.
>
> If THE HOUSE realizes that it can't safely open the door, the HOUSE tells
> me.

You have very clever houses in your area.
I prefer to adjust the lighting when I'm at home, not from half a mile away.


>  If the reason is "because someone/something has been detected IN
> the garage", then I have the option to view the overhead video (normally
> used as an aid in parking) to see the problem (maybe I forgot that I
> was working in the garage and neglected to put the saw horses away)
> or ASK WHOMEVER IS IN THE GARAGE if there is any reason they can't
> make the garage safe for my entrance -- or, should I park on the driveway?
>
> No need for cell phones.  No need for third party services.
>
> Gee, can't you do that with your "I can work from any country" setup
> (I can phone the house and tell it that "I will be home in 27 minutes"
> and have it take those actions; can you?)
>
>> I would put the freezer in the house and make sure the garage door is not obstructed by dogs or anything else.
>> Problem solved.
>
> Bigger house.  No pets.  I guess that's a naive solution.  Just tell
> folks to park in the street is even simpler!
>
> One neighbor took the side off his car by misjudging his position
> in the garage.  Another neighbor leaves her car in the driveway for
> her husband to come out and pull it in.  Damn near everyone has some
> hack in place to facilitate parking (tennis balls on strings,
> floor mounted wheel guides, etc.)
>
> I guess if you have a 4 car garage and/or a basement some of these problems
> can go away...
>
>>> Why would they need a garage door opener?  Why would that opener need safety
>>> features?  If the nose of your car hangs above the photoelectric sensors,
>>> will the door KNOW this?  Or, will it gladly close on your door, putting a
>>> crease in your hood (when the over-current sensor on the motor detected the
>>> "obstruction" -- BY TOUCH)?
>>
>> Sorry but I'm beginning to wonder whether you live on the same planet as me.
>
> Perhaps not.  This is Earth.  I see folks with rear windshield wipers torn
> off their cars because they left the back hatch open when pulling in/out
> of the garage.  Door dings because they couldn't precisely navigate their
> position within the garage.
>
> I *watched* a neighbor RUN OVER his own child because the child ran to
> fetch a ball that had rolled under the car as the father was backing out.
>
> Yes, Earth is a tough place.  Maybe it's nicer on Planet Fantasia...
>
>>> That's not under your control.  My WiFi use *is* under my control -- I own the
>>> AP and the radio in the car.  No one else can connect to those things.
>>>
>>>> If the location which does my oil change is uploading my driving habits to the car manufacturer then I would certainly like to
>>>> know
>>>> about that.
>>>
>>> They don't have to.  The CAR does it.
>>
>> By what means? Please describe the specific communication channel the car is using when it uploads my driving habits to the
>> manufacturer.
>
> Ask your car *manufacturer* what bands they use.

Is this the secret car communication network I'm not aware of?
I think maybe I'll just park my car in a Faraday cage.

>  Did you read the
> LexisNexis reference in the article YOU cited?  Where do you think
> GM got the data for those drivers?  Do you think they voluntarily
> filled out questionnaires:
> - In the past 6 months, how many times have you exceeded 88 MPH?
> - In the past 6 months, how many itme have you hard accelerated?
> - In the past 6 months, how many times have you failed to wear a seat belt?
> - In the past...
>
>>> They, as a service to you, will reset
>>> the "maintenance minder" (that the car controls based on mileage, habits,
>>> etc.).  The car *likely* would convey the event "Maintenance Minder Reset"
>>> to the vendor.
>>
>> By what communication channel?
>
> See above.  What do you think YOU are going to do about it?
>
>>>   So, the vendor knows that SOMEONE serviced your vehicle
>>> (and they can easily determine that it wasn't the dealer -- because the
>>> dealer has no record of servicing your vehicle).  Provide the GPS
>>> coordinates (available to the car at all times!)
>>
>> Jamming GPS isn't hard but we needn't go into that.
>
> Just don't tell the car that it has been serviced.  It can tell if
> it has been refueled... but, not if it has had its oil changed,
> tires rotated, serpentine belt replaced, etc.
>
>>> [I can tell -- to a high degree of certainty -- if someone in my house took
>>> a bath, shower, or shit (and, whether or not he washed his hands!), based on
>>> how long he was in the bathroom, the total volume of water consumed and its
>>> rate of flow.]
>>
>> You must be popular with visitors.
>
> Goal is not to please visitors but to let the house assist aging occupants
> with retaining their independence for as long as possible.  Delaying a
> half million -- million dollar "buy in" with $3-6K monthly maintenance
> for an extra year is worth a fair bit.  Detecting a potential hazard
> ("Help, I've fallen and can't get up!") adds to that value.
>
> Folks NOT in that situation can benefit from the houses anticipation of their
> needs based on an analysis of their behaviors.  Why have to *tell* all
> of the appliances in your house what you want?  Why can't they WATCH to
> see how you've used them and infer that?
>
>