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From: Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com>
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Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:02:29 -0000 (UTC)
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 18:06:21 -0700, john larkin wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 23:48:32 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
> <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
> 
>>On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 11:47:08 -0700, john larkin wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:19:58 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:pc1eej9v5j8i25qm38l4jffodn7eb4c2f6@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 23:28:40 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
>>>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:kaicejdhq0cudpivno5qmtes8al3tu8hje@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 17:04:32 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
>>>>>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:31kbejpg6dos3fdm81oq42a4rgcenu4lk1@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-
>>basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes
>>>>>>>>>>> away when an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be
>>>>>>>>>>> quantified.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be
>>>>>>>>>>quantum".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only
>>>>>>>>> works at liquid helium temperatures."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of
>>>>>>>>>>the gaps.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one
>>>>>>>>>>example.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million
>>>>>>>>> stored images, in a fraction of a second.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In a way which is similar to the way this does it.
>>>>>>>>https://www.google.com/search?&q=eiffel+tower&udm=2 Just in
>>>>>>>>reverse.
>>>>>>>>So choose any of the above images and save it.
>>>>>>>>Now go here https://images.google.com/
>>>>>>>>And upload the image and see how long it takes for the words
>>>>>>>>"eiffel tower" to appear.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Also it's possible you might not know the correct spelling.
>>>>>>>>https://www.google.com/search?&q=ifle+tower&udm=2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does the lack of response here mean that you agree that I provided a
>>>>>>valid explanation of how "we can name one image out of maybe a
>>>>>>million stored images, in a fraction of a second." ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No-one is suggesting that Google does it exactly the same way the
>>>>>>human brain does but you asked for an explanation of how it is
>>>>>>possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Face and voice recognition are similarly amazing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But it is becoming much easier to do them without a human brain as
>>>>>>>>time goes by.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, the machines and the code that do google's image
>>>>>>> matching were designed by people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>You mean like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_Zero is just
>>>>>>code so all it can do is something like if {player makes this move}
>>>>>>then {respond with that move} ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you're going to stick with the idea that something designed
>>>>>>people then what designed the thing which designed people and what
>>>>>>designed the thing which designed the thing which designed people?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What are you going to say when a thing designed by people becomes
>>>>>>able to design electronic circuits better than you can?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I check up now and then on FLUX.AI,  just for fun.
>>>>
>>>>I've never used it.
>>>>I have a general dislike of "sign up with Google" etc and pay a
>>>>monthly subscription if you want anything worth using.
>>>>My last interaction with schematic/pcb software a few weeks ago was
>>>>getting some Protel99SE files into KiCad.
>>>>That and simulating an LTC4267-3 circuit in LTSpice.
>>> 
>>> One Flux concept is collaborative design, multiple people having
>>> simultaneous access to a schematic or PCB or code. That's insane.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> A while back they were looking to hire a bunch of full-stack
>>>>> software types and one hardware intern.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> I recently installed an addon to Firfefox that kills the Goggle
>>> sign-in atrocity. My life is much improved.
>>
>>Yeah, I just love Google having all my passwords, it's so convenient
>>(for them!) isn't it?
>>Seriously - which add-on did you use for this?
> 
> 
> Google Sign-in Popup Blocker. It's in the Firefox extensions set.

Thanks!