Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: john larkin <JL@gct.com>
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 20:03:06 -0700
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 72
Message-ID: <vcjcejhh5qpktvu0nnf8ieb2sg5ekjdh5o@4ax.com>
References: <0s9bej1bhklummnn5iduadn94uvvne5k26@4ax.com> <vc4hd6$1ja6d$1@dont-email.me> <31kbejpg6dos3fdm81oq42a4rgcenu4lk1@4ax.com> <vc4ncn$1kpl3$1@dont-email.me> <hfhcej9vlqdlpef8cadk6g74lguj5nldpj@4ax.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 05:03:09 +0200 (CEST)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a9beb4691b7c19d365e0985530b98305";
	logging-data="2039429"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org";	posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Oe1uT1SKAA+QdFBIURRD2"
User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272
Cancel-Lock: sha1:+i0Tw237gUIZ4HREkzD7M2wOVkg=
Bytes: 3553

On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:39:20 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:18:44 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
><jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>
>>On 9/14/24 20:08, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when
>>>>> an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be quantum".
>>> 
>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only works at
>>> liquid helium temperatures."
>>> 
>>>> That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of the
>>>> gaps.
>>>>
>>>> There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one example.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million stored
>>> images, in a fraction of a second.
>>> 
>>
>>Yes, that's the typical comeback of religious believers.
>
>I don't recall invoking religion here, or calling myself a believer. I
>was asking about image storage and high-speed matching. It's even more
>amazing when you consider all the optical distortions and viewing
>angles and changes in illumination and motion effects in real life; we
>don't match nice flat photos.
>
>How are our collections of images stored?
>
>When some people encounter an unwelcome idea, they call the people
>that they disagree with bible bangers, and assume they have won the
>argument.
>
>
>>
>>I don't know how it works. Let's find out. AI seems to be
>>getting there, and it requires no quantum theory. Just loads
>>of data and a lot of matrix math.
>
>You are determined to exclude the possibility that are brains use QM. 
>
>Given that most all physics and chemistry is fundamentally quantum
>mechanical, why would evolution refuse to allow cells to use quantum
>effects?
>
>Most people don't really believe in evolution.
>
>
>>
>>Jeroen Belleman

It would be pretty good packing, storing one bit of data per atom.

https://interestingengineering.com/science/wobble-nucleus-of-atom-quantum-data

or maybe more than one.

Nice possibilities for quantum correlation, pattern matching, too.