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On 9/21/2024 10:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 9/21/24 17:55, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>> On 9/21/2024 4:49 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>> On 9/21/24 11:11, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
>>>>> On 9/21/2024 8:01 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 16:00:55 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>>>>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Australia is buying several Virgina class attack submarines from 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> USA.  One wonders what armament those subs will have.
>>>>>>>>      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia-class_submarine
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup - but there's a huge difference between using a nuclear 
>>>>>>> reactor to
>>>>>>> boil steam to drive turbines which drive the sub (which is the usual
>>>>>>> propulsion method in nuclear submarines) and submarines carrying
>>>>>>> nuclear weapons (usually missiles). SSBNs are almost always nuclear
>>>>>>> powered but carry nuclear missiles as opposed to SSNs which refers
>>>>>>> only to the propulsion system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SSNs carry Tomahawks.  Look up TLAM-N.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tomahawks have a much shorter range and smaller payload capacity than
>>>>> the strategic missiles carried by SSBNs.  The nukes on Tomahawks are
>>>>> "tactical" warheads, not city killers.
>>>>
>>>> Hiroshima was 15kt.   It doesn't take much.
>>>
>>>      That bomb was barely functional and did not begin to realize
>>> its power but still was a horror unleashed on a largely wooden city
>>> and totally unsuspecting citizens. Read last "Train from Hiroshima"
>>> by the way it went to Nagasaki. The Nagasaki bomb functioned better
>>> but was mistargeted.  Still horrible times for the populations.
>>> But it has some descriptions of the hell world after the bombing
>>> that are more vivid than the descriptions in the next item.
>>>
>>>      About Hiroshima there is a classic manga by a young man who
>>> survived as a child protected by a stone wall from a blast that
>>> evaporated his teacher standing by.
>>>      "Gen of Hiroshima", "Barefoot Gen", and "I saw it" are some of
>>> titles used but Keiji Nakazawa, recently deceased was the author. He
>>> lost his whole family.  His father was very unpopular because of his
>>> out-spoken pacifism and i believe that Keiji Nakazawa has a particular
>>> POV.  Gen was widely translated and distributed by the anti-nuclear
>>> and peace movements.
>>
>> Its a member of a fairly small list of books and films about the actual
>> effects of nuclear war, as opposed to using one to set up a Mad Max type
>> scenario.
>>
>  > Gen of Hiroshima
>   I have seen watched it once and have a file of it here.
>      The manga goes on from the end of the film and
> it runs to 12 volumes. Whenever I see volume 1 at the
> SFPL-main I will pick it up and begin to re-read the
> story, I have read it at least twice and if I had more
> money and more room I would have my own set.
>> Threads
>> The War Game
>> The Day After
> 
>      I think I have seen this on late night TV. Not too
> impressive. It might be time to tranlate "Last Train
> from Hiroshima" from text into a Live Action film with the
> special effects now available.
> 
In development at 20th Century Fox.

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