Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 14:59:19 -0400
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 62
Message-ID: <vcv267$36miv$9@dont-email.me>
References: <vcn277$1minb$1@dont-email.me> <IbWHO.21156$MxR.18519@fx47.iad>
 <vcpiki$29eeg$1@dont-email.me> <vcpu65$2ausd$2@dont-email.me>
 <vcqif4$2hoq2$1@dont-email.me> <VEfIO.1095856$azJ4.449168@fx16.ams4>
 <vcsa02$2q622$1@dont-email.me> <boc3fjlebcqkp6iefao8a13js0nbj8gu50@4ax.com>
 <f994fj9rcdc9bajsqiu1dcehv69hbt3r53@4ax.com> <vcu1u6$35eqk$1@dont-email.me>
 <vcuis4$37v5r$1@dont-email.me> <vcunoe$36miu$2@dont-email.me>
 <vcuvno$39ji0$5@dont-email.me>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 20:59:20 +0200 (CEST)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1c5a1fec1051141dc3d6ab34330b69f8";
	logging-data="3365471"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org";	posting-account="U2FsdGVkX185RssUvenS8EyaPRY8A3luYuhiLsCL/Bk="
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
Cancel-Lock: sha1:t2NiKCMPKala94cFwBAZFMQ86sw=
Content-Language: en-US
In-Reply-To: <vcuvno$39ji0$5@dont-email.me>
Bytes: 4358

On 9/24/2024 2:17 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 9/24/2024 12:01 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 9/24/2024 10:37 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 9/24/2024 5:48 AM, sms wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even racers have now switched to disc brakes. There's a tiny weigh 
>>>> penalty but that is offset by improved aerodynamics. 
>>>
>>>
>>> All my bikes since about 1970 have always had caliper brakes. I 
>>> continue to ride caliper brake bikes with no problems. I see no 
>>> reason to change to something that's more complex.
>>>
>>> So can we do a poll? How many here no longer use any bikes except 
>>> those with disc brakes? How many are still somehow surviving with 
>>> (horrors!) caliper brakes?
>>
>> we get it frank, you don't like disc brakes, you think they're overly 
>> complex for their purpose, and don't provide enough of an advantage 
>> over rim brakes.
>>
>> That's fine for you, all reasonably valid rationalizations.
>>
>> Some people prefer discs for equally valid rationalizations: They 
>> provide better braking power with equal if not better modulation, they 
>> work better in the rain, snow/ice, and muck (none of which are 
>> exclusive to off-road riding). That said, No one is going to agree 
>> with your implication that they provide no benefit to anyone except 
>> those pushing performance to the extremes. Disc brakes simply work 
>> better - that you may not experience that in your riding style is 
>> specific to you.
>>
>> Both my mountain bikes are disc. One came that way and the other I 
>> converted. It's one of the best equipment decisions I've ever made.
>>
>> All of my road bikes are rim brakes. I haven't converted any of them 
>> for a couple of very good reasons:
>> - I currently have 4 road bikes that I ride on a regular basis* and 
>> seven wheelsets. I don't need another bike right now.
>> - I can mix and match wheels with bikes as necessary. Having one bike 
>> with discs would limit that as well as needing to have a spare wheelset.
>>
>> As you point out, discs don't provide enough of an advantage on the 
>> road for me to spend $10K on a new complete bike, plus a Spare 
>> wheelset. Let's not forget the 'evolution' of wheel retention 
>> technologies, further limiting compatibility. Disc brakes won't offer 
>> a rider at my level enough of a performance advantage to justify the 
>> expense.
>>
>> However, If I was in a situation where I  wanted or needed a new bike, 
>> I wouldn't hesitate to buy a decent racing machine with disc brakes. 
>> They _do_ work better, and having ridden newer bikes with disc brakes, 
>> I know I won't be disappointed with the decision.
> 
> Having read that post twice, I can say: Thanks for a post that almost 
> entirely agrees with my positions!

With a diametrically opposed attitude

-- 
Add xx to reply