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On 9/25/2024 3:33 PM, Chris Buckley wrote:
> On 2024-09-25, Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/25/2024 8:58 AM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2024, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <eef9e921-3ea3-76ee-39de-e34ac66733e4@example.net>,
>>>> D  <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>> Certainly in this group, anything that even remotely
>>>>> contradicts the narrative of man made global warming is never
>>>>> taken into account or ever discussed.
>>>>
>>>> My position remains the same -- whether or not CO2 increases
>>>> cause global warming, to quote JEP, this is an uncontrolled
>>>> experiment on our biosphere that we probably shouldn't be doing
>>>> unless and until we know a lot more about what we're doing.
>>>>
>>>> But ...
>>>>
>>>> We are in a Catch 22.  Trying to run techological civilization
>>>> on exclusively "sunny days when the wind is blowing" energy
>>>> is impossible.  To the extent the attempt is compelled by force,
>>>> the results will be collapse and millions of deaths wherever
>>>> it is successfully compelled.
>>>
>>> This is true and something you never read about in the newspapers. You
>>> only hear about how many die due to heat, and how high taxes must be to
>>> save the planet.
>>>
>>> You never read about the millions dead due to cold (which outnumber
>>> deaths due to heat) as well as what would happen if we were 100% solar
>>> powered and many systems and services would collapse.\
>>
>>> "millions dead due to cold (which outnumber deaths due to heat)
>>
>> Can you document this claim?
>>
>> I don't think you can.
> 
> One very nice in depth scientific overview (cites 50+ journal articles) is
> https://thebreakthrough.org/issues/energy/human-deaths-from-hot-and-cold-temperatures-and-implications-for-climate-change
>  From the summary there:
>      It has been estimated that about 5.1 million excess deaths per
>      year are associated with non-optimal temperatures. Of those, 4.6
>      million are associated with colder than optimum temperatures, and
>      0.5 million are associated with hotter than optimum temperatures.
>      ...
>      Deaths associated with non-optimal temperatures have been
>      decreasing over time as it has gotten warmer partly due to a
>      reduction in cold deaths. It has been estimated that warming from
>      2000 to 2019 has resulted in a net decline in excess deaths
>      globally (a larger decrease in cold deaths than an increase in
>      heat deaths).
> 
> Chris

This is true, and I was wrong.

After I posted, I decided to do what I should have done first,
and check.

I found this article, with similar data:
https://ourworldindata.org/part-one-how-many-people-die-from-extreme-temperatures-and-how-could-this-change-in-the-future

I tried to post a followup correction, but for some reason Agent
wouldn't let me.

I really try not to maintain a position after it is shown to
be incorrect.

pt