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From: Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Facebook Account
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2024 12:28:18 -0500
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On 11/5/2024 12:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 11/5/2024 10:53 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 11/5/2024 10:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 11/5/2024 8:47 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>> On 11/5/2024 9:32 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 11/4/2024 9:05 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/4/2024 7:07 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     "But it's in the Constitution" - just saying that lowers the
>>>>>>> score. The World has changed a LOT in over 100 years, and laws 
>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>> change to accompany that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I occasionally encounter people who treat the U.S. Constitution as 
>>>>>> perfection itself, and as a holy document That Must Never Be 
>>>>>> Criticized.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But despite its revisions (AKA amendments) I think it's got 
>>>>>> serious flaws. As evidence, there are now hundreds of nations with 
>>>>>> constitutions. Not one has duplicated the U.S. Constitution. All 
>>>>>> have at least attempted to improve on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With mixed success. I give you the overwhelmingly adopted 18th 
>>>>> Amendment, the only one more destructive than the 17th.
>>>>>
>>>>> Change for its own sake is not always positive.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An amendment defining the structure of the senate is the 2nd most 
>>>> destructive?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It removed the State legislatures from the process. That's a big 
>>> change, as reflected by candidates' positions and campaign strategies 
>>> and of course who is elected.
>>
>> Wait, so you're saying the state legislatures should have the 
>> exclusive authority to appoint senators, regardless of the will of the 
>> people?
>>
>> I'm having difficulty seeing how the people electing senators is 
>> "destructive".
>>
> 
> For the same reason that pattern and practice of elections is the sole 
> plenary duty of the legislature, not referenda, not by one official 
> elected or appointed.
> 
> The Framers preferred a deliberative process for many decisions (by no 
> means all) and we differ, as much now as then, about where those lines 
> should be drawn.
> 

So why then don't we just have the president selected by the congress? 
Fuck what the people actually want.

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